2017 Rim recommendations?

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Farrina wrote:Thanks for all the helpful suggestions.

I am tending towards better the devil you know and the Open Pro's once again.

A friend has recommended Open Pro ceramic, but his rims are quite old (they last forever allegedly). Looking on the Mavic site they have something called Open Pro CD. However reading around, general comment suggests that the coating wears off the rim after a 1000 miles or so - not my friends experience, which suggests they are not the same rim.

Unfortunately the matter has become more pressing, as I have only this evening spotted a issue with my rear rim. I would guess that I have had 10,000 miles out of them.

The rear brake had become "snatchy" the last week, so I was on the case and aware something was not quite right.

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Open Pro Ceramic no longer made. My wife has a pair that must be a decade old and appear as new, though a heavier rider might worry that a single pothole could kill them. I have plain Open Pro on one bike and had to bend them back into shape after hitting a modest pothole. They are fragile. I don't like em.
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Farrina wrote:I am intending to reuse my existing hubs 7900 DA and being a traditionalist (as well as 13 stone) I need a 36 hole rear 32 hole front rim. Spokes will be DT DB stainless. My riding used to be described as fast audax i.e. no additional loading apart from me ! Tyre size used is currently 23c (but would like the option to go to 25c).

I am not interested in anything carbon and I value reliability over ultimate lightness. I wonder if anyone could recommend a pair of rims.

You sound like a candidate for the Exal XR2, available for a mere £18 from Spa Cycles despite being made in good old Belgium. This is a straightforward pinned rim with double eyelets, as they’re called, and a machined brake surface. It’s available in silver or black and 32 or 36 holes, and Exal recommends its use with 18–28 mm tyres. Besides, I think it looks pretty wonderful, with its shallow and squared-off profile. It certainly suits my steel frame.

I recently got a silver, 32-hole XR2. I measured it as follows:

  • Weight: 500.7 g on a calibrated balance (only 1% more than Exal’s claim of 495 g; Spa claims 485 g)
  • Outer width, small variations but average of 20.0 mm
  • Inner width, fractionally over 13.4 mm everywhere I measured
  • Wall thickness just below the bead hook, with little variation around the rim and between left and right walls: 1.6 mm. There is a wear-indicating groove just over 0.5 mm tall that reduces the thickness along its track, of course. Wall thickness is a bit more than this 1.6 mm at the root
  • Height of machined portion of brake track: 8 mm. That’s plenty if you position your pads carefully and perhaps adjust the height of the short-arm pad halfway through the pad life, if using short-reach, dual-pivot callipers. But if the brake pad creeps beyond the machined part, whether above or below, no great harm is done.
These measurements have an old-fashioned ring to them but they work very well in my experience.

The difficulty of mounting tyres on this rim has been exaggerated. It is harder than other rims I’ve tried, but I’ve always managed in a couple of minutes even by the roadside, when using fast, lightweight tyres. I think a tyre that is harder to mount on a rim is also harder to blow off, since it won’t readily become non-concentric with the rim and thereby allow the bead to pop over the hook at the looser side. I think Brucey doubted this when I mentioned it once, but I can’t remember why.

There is a new Mavic Open Pro coming down the pipe, but it will probably only be available after the summer. Besides, it’s a very different rim from the old Open Pro, and expensive too.
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are 18c tyres still made?
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mig wrote:are 18c tyres still made?

Perhaps not, but I know 20 mm tyres are still being made. Anyway, it’s Exal’s upper limit for the XR2 of 28 mm that is more interesting to me. That’s about as wide as you can go with dual-pivot callipers and therefore as wide as many people will consider.

When the XR2 is available for £18, the alternatives don’t impress me much. Maybe this is what I should be stocking up on?
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Brucey wrote:I think the Archetypes are nice rims but ~25mm is the minimum tyre size I'd fit to them.


That's ok, 25 mm is the tyre size I will use, 28mm is possible but mudguard clearance is a little too tight.
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Des49 wrote:
Brucey wrote:I think the Archetypes are nice rims but ~25mm is the minimum tyre size I'd fit to them.


That's ok, 25 mm is the tyre size I will use, 28mm is possible but mudguard clearance is a little too tight.


You can fit 23mm on them, and will balloon up to almost 25mm. I.e., Conti's GP 4Season in 23mm go to almost 25mm, the 25mm goes to almost 27mm
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Gattonero wrote:
Des49 wrote:
Brucey wrote:I think the Archetypes are nice rims but ~25mm is the minimum tyre size I'd fit to them.


That's ok, 25 mm is the tyre size I will use, 28mm is possible but mudguard clearance is a little too tight.


You can fit 23mm on them, and will balloon up to almost 25mm. I.e., Conti's GP 4Season in 23mm go to almost 25mm, the 25mm goes to almost 27mm


This is how to get a harsh ride and pinch flats.
Put a narrow tyre on a wide rim, the tyre becomes wide, but loses height.
Bike fitting D.I.Y. .....http://wheel-easy.org.uk/wp-content/upl ... -2017a.pdf
Tracks in the Dales etc...http://www.flickr.com/photos/52358536@N06/collections/
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531colin wrote:
Gattonero wrote:
Des49 wrote:
That's ok, 25 mm is the tyre size I will use, 28mm is possible but mudguard clearance is a little too tight.


You can fit 23mm on them, and will balloon up to almost 25mm. I.e., Conti's GP 4Season in 23mm go to almost 25mm, the 25mm goes to almost 27mm


This is how to get a harsh ride and pinch flats.
Put a narrow tyre on a wide rim, the tyre becomes wide, but loses height.


Not at all.
In theory, this is correct. In practice, the loss of height is minimal (less than 1mm) and the volume of air does not change at all.
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Say it as often as you like, its still wrong
Bike fitting D.I.Y. .....http://wheel-easy.org.uk/wp-content/upl ... -2017a.pdf
Tracks in the Dales etc...http://www.flickr.com/photos/52358536@N06/collections/
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531colin wrote:Say it as often as you like, its still wrong


Have you actually tried?
I have, and the difference in clearance with the front caliper is not much. Indeed, there are circumstances where the clearance with the brake caliper is less when using the same tyre with a wider rim like the Archetype (part is due to the caliper having to open wider)
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boblo wrote:I have a pair of those LX17's from Spa on my tourer and they've been fantastic. I'd buy them again.


Are the tyres a tight fit as suggested in an earlier post? (What tyres are you using)
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Recently built up a Shimano 5800 11 sp hub on a KINLIN XR-27R Asymmetric rim.

Not the roundess wheel I have ever built but true laterally while maintaining even spoke tensions. Feels nice, no intrusive logos which is a plus.
We'll see how it wears, the wall thickness is about 1.5mm. Good value at £25.

What is really nice is the tension ratio between the DS and NDS, the offset spoke bed really makes a difference. I have built it with about 120kgf DS and 80kgf NDS, so normal tensions but on an 11 sp hub. As a comparison the Open Pro rim I tried on a 5800 hub just felt too weakly tensioned to be reliable, I will rebuild this with a better rim.
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