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Boring. Boring, Boring ... Its all been said before ..... Let's move please .....

landsurfer wrote:Boring. Boring, Boring ... Its all been said before ..... Let's move please .....

If you think this has all been said before try a chain cleaning thread out for size

Psamathe wrote:................. May has strongly aligned herself with Trump; she's tried to water down EU policies on climate change, rushing over and inviting him for a State Visit (something that is normally a 2nd term event, not 2nd week!), that she refused to condemn US pulling out of Paris Agreement and even pointed out supporting US action, etc. She is strongly aligning herself with Trump (presumably because she wants a Free Trade Deal from him - even though our current average US trade tariffs are already very lot so it's more a PR issue than a trade issue).

Ian

That's the worry!

well it's one person, and a bunch of sycophants, willingly taking somebody's opinion out of context so they can get angry about it, and even though they know we know they know it's rubbish, mud sticks. and people are happy to build a democracy on that it seems.

if i'm honest it's best we just forgot about them for a second and let them work their own problems out. they voted for an isolationist agenda and that doesn't sound so bad all things considered.

not a massive fan of sadiq khan, but i don't think he's a terrorist sympathiser, apologist.... i've been given literally nothing to suggest that, you know... and it's not like we haven't been looking.

landsurfer wrote:Boring. Boring, Boring ... Its all been said before ..... Let's move please .....

You could always just not read or follow this thread? (Another radical solutions to the big problems facing people)

Ian

Psamathe wrote:

pwa wrote:

reohn2 wrote:Does he have a plan that extends past the limitations of the number of characters he can shoe horn into his social media account?

Seems to me he's been giving own very own Mrs May sound bite lessons and look where it's leading her..........

If you keep UK politicians out of this and just focus on Trump you may have found a topic on which we can unite our nation!

The trouble is that May has strongly aligned herself with Trump; she's tried to water down EU policies on climate change, rushing over and inviting him for a State Visit (something that is normally a 2nd term event, not 2nd week!), that she refused to condemn US pulling out of Paris Agreement and even pointed out supporting US action, etc. She is strongly aligning herself with Trump (presumably because she wants a Free Trade Deal from him - even though our current average US trade tariffs are already very lot so it's more a PR issue than a trade issue).

Ian

She's desperately aware that the 'NO Deal' will actually happen and she hopes Trump will offer some trade deals.
When Trump shouts sh1t May jumps on the shovel.

francovendee wrote:

Psamathe wrote:

pwa wrote:
If you keep UK politicians out of this and just focus on Trump you may have found a topic on which we can unite our nation!

The trouble is that May has strongly aligned herself with Trump; she's tried to water down EU policies on climate change, rushing over and inviting him for a State Visit (something that is normally a 2nd term event, not 2nd week!), that she refused to condemn US pulling out of Paris Agreement and even pointed out supporting US action, etc. She is strongly aligning herself with Trump (presumably because she wants a Free Trade Deal from him - even though our current average US trade tariffs are already very lot so it's more a PR issue than a trade issue).

Ian

She's desperately aware that the 'NO Deal' will actually happen and she hopes Trump will offer some trade deals.
When Trump shouts sh1t May jumps on the shovel.

We need to be pragmatic. It will be good for our economy if we can increase trade with the USA, so we do want to do business with them. For that reason it would be indulgent and risky for our government to join the rest of us in declaring Trump to be the moron he clearly is.

pwa wrote:
We need to be pragmatic. It will be good for our economy if we can increase trade with the USA, so we do want to do business with them. For that reason it would be indulgent and risky for our government to join the rest of us in declaring Trump to be the moron he clearly is.

Pragmatic, as in keeping good or even excellent trading relations that we already have with our biggest trading partner- the EU!
They're are reasonable, sane, internationalist, and tolerant in comparison to Trump.

It's all a mystery to me why anyone would want to leave. Even after all the debate!!!

I'll get me coat!

pwa wrote:

francovendee wrote:

Psamathe wrote:The trouble is that May has strongly aligned herself with Trump; she's tried to water down EU policies on climate change, rushing over and inviting him for a State Visit (something that is normally a 2nd term event, not 2nd week!), that she refused to condemn US pulling out of Paris Agreement and even pointed out supporting US action, etc. She is strongly aligning herself with Trump (presumably because she wants a Free Trade Deal from him - even though our current average US trade tariffs are already very lot so it's more a PR issue than a trade issue).

Ian

She's desperately aware that the 'NO Deal' will actually happen and she hopes Trump will offer some trade deals.
When Trump shouts sh1t May jumps on the shovel.

We need to be pragmatic. It will be good for our economy if we can increase trade with the USA, so we do want to do business with them. For that reason it would be indulgent and risky for our government to join the rest of us in declaring Trump to be the moron he clearly is.

The UK is very good at trading any precious little moral fibre it has left for possible US trade deals and profit,when theres a whole trading bloc to the east of us that we're about break or at the very least weaken our trade deals witht,for no viable reason other than a few extreme right Tory MP's,who pressurised an idiot of an PM and his Chancellor into a referendum that they weren't prepared for,and then jumped ship PDQ after the result.
Does anyone realise how isolated the UK is making itself allying itself with this moron of world leader,

pwa wrote:Historians must already be mulling over comparisons with Caligula.

In which case, I really hope Incitatus becomes the next prezzie. He'd surely make a better job of it....

reohn2 wrote:

pwa wrote:

francovendee wrote:She's desperately aware that the 'NO Deal' will actually happen and she hopes Trump will offer some trade deals.
When Trump shouts sh1t May jumps on the shovel.

We need to be pragmatic. It will be good for our economy if we can increase trade with the USA, so we do want to do business with them. For that reason it would be indulgent and risky for our government to join the rest of us in declaring Trump to be the moron he clearly is.

The UK is very good at trading any precious little moral fibre it has left for possible US trade deals and profit,when theres a whole trading bloc to the east of us that we're about break or at the very least weaken our trade deals witht,for no viable reason other than a few extreme right Tory MP's,who pressurised an idiot of an PM and his Chancellor into a referendum that they weren't prepared for,and then jumped ship PDQ after the result.
Does anyone realise how isolated the UK is making itself allying itself with this moron of world leader,

The truth is we are allying ourselves to the USA, in spite of the moron they currently have as their leader. We have to think beyond him. He has eight years in the job at the most. It will seem like a long time, but the day will come when he goes. Hang on to that thought.

pwa wrote:The truth is we are allying ourselves to the USA, in spite of the moron they currently have as their leader. We have to think beyond him. He has eight years in the job at the most. It will seem like a long time, but the day will come when he goes. Hang on to that thought.

You don't ally yourself with wrong however 'special' you think your relationship is with someone,IMHO the UK needs a complete rethink on it's policy with the US whilst it's being run by a moron,because it's being run by a moron.
Trump is isolating himself more by the day,and it's about time we withdrew our support of him,not the USA,but him.Whilst he's in charge anything can happen such is his ego trip,and as long as the UK remains on his leash we'll be seen by the world as his Poodle.
The Bexiteers among us keep spouting about claiming back sovereignty yet are so willing to be beholding to a moron leader for trade deals that we already have with Europe,you won't agree with this but the only reason the EU referendum got the slim majority it did was because of immigration,without even a thought of the true cost to the UK in many other aspects of our country's future,and now we court morons for trade deals and continue to ally ourselves with a climate change denier and who's previous leaders foreign policies in the middle east and Africa were a disgrace.

reohn2 wrote:

pwa wrote:The truth is we are allying ourselves to the USA, in spite of the moron they currently have as their leader. We have to think beyond him. He has eight years in the job at the most. It will seem like a long time, but the day will come when he goes. Hang on to that thought.

You don't ally yourself with wrong however 'special' you think your relationship is with someone,IMHO the UK needs a complete rethink on it's policy with the US whilst it's being run by a moron,because it's being run by a moron.
Trump is isolating himself more by the day,and it's about time we withdrew our support of him,not the USA,but him.Whilst he's in charge anything can happen such is his ego trip,and as long as the UK remains on his leash we'll be seen by the world as his Poodle.
The Bexiteers among us keep spouting about claiming back sovereignty yet are so willing to be beholding to a moron leader for trade deals that we already have with Europe,you won't agree with this but the only reason the EU referendum got the slim majority it did was because of immigration,without even a thought of the true cost to the UK in many other aspects of our country's future,and now we court morons for trade deals and continue to ally ourselves with a climate change denier and who's previous leaders foreign policies in the middle east and Africa were a disgrace.

We don't ally ourselves with Trump. We ally ourselves with the USA. That is different. We ally ourselves with a country in which more people voted for Hilary Clinton than voted for Trump. We want to build up trade with a USA that will, eight years from now, have a different and almost certainly better President. In the short to medium term we have to hold our noses and do business through him, but the real prize is on the other side of him.

I'm bored with Brexit stuff, so I'll leave that.

pwa wrote:
We don't ally ourselves with Trump. We ally ourselves with the USA. That is different. We ally ourselves with a country in which more people voted for Hilary Clinton than voted for Trump. We want to build up trade with a USA that will, eight years from now, have a different and almost certainly better President. In the short to medium term we have to hold our noses and do business through him, but the real prize is on the other side of him.

I'm bored with Brexit stuff, so I'll leave that.

Trump feeds on ego we shouldn't morally feed that ego as the rest of the world isn't,and whilst I agree we deal with the US and not Trump,Trump is presently the tail that's wagging the dog,until the tail is docked we shouldn't cozy up to it,and we wouldn't need to if we'd come to our senses,under May's leadership we'll dance to Trump's tune,however out of tune his instrument is with the rest of the world!

As for being bored with Brexit,you'll be a lot more bored before any deals are settled with the EU,we haven't even started yet,you're currently witnessing how sour leaving the EU can be.

pwa wrote:

francovendee wrote:

Psamathe wrote:The trouble is that May has strongly aligned herself with Trump; she's tried to water down EU policies on climate change, rushing over and inviting him for a State Visit (something that is normally a 2nd term event, not 2nd week!), that she refused to condemn US pulling out of Paris Agreement and even pointed out supporting US action, etc. She is strongly aligning herself with Trump (presumably because she wants a Free Trade Deal from him - even though our current average US trade tariffs are already very lot so it's more a PR issue than a trade issue).

Ian

She's desperately aware that the 'NO Deal' will actually happen and she hopes Trump will offer some trade deals.
When Trump shouts sh1t May jumps on the shovel.

We need to be pragmatic. It will be good for our economy if we can increase trade with the USA, so we do want to do business with them. For that reason it would be indulgent and risky for our government to join the rest of us in declaring Trump to be the moron he clearly is.

But our trade tariffs with the US are already very low so financially it wont have a big impact. And does anybody really believe Trump can offer UK lower tariffs given all his rhetoric about "exporting US jobs overseas". Whatever the reality of things being better for the US with more trade, reality is not a major factor in the US these days and Trump has been outspoken about "exporting US jobs overseas" that there is no way we can get a good deal from the US (and any deal will undoubtedly require secret commercial courts, companies suing UK government if they change policy impacting corporate profits ... all the nasties from TTIP will only get more skewed in favour of the US under Trump).

But in reality, trade deals take a long time to negotiate. We are 2 years away from even starting with the US. My guess is it is unlikely May will fight another election as Conservative leader after this one and I have doubts about Trump having a 2nd term so most of any trade deal will be under very different leadership anyway.

Ian