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blackbike wrote:

dodger wrote:Trump and the shadowy money men behind him are not a joke, unfortunately. People wrote Hitler off at one stage -a bit prematurely!

The people who mention Hitler when speaking of Trump are often the same people who thought Obama was such a wonderful president even though the Nobel Peace Prize winner set new records for continuous bombing of foreign countries, oversaw a disastrous foreign policy which let the middle east in a complete mess and left his own country more racially, socially and economically divided than when he took office.

If they are as wrong about Trump as they were about Obama the Donald will be one of the most popular US presidents ever, ranking alongside Washington, Lincoln and FDR.

Maybe they are, but that's an unwarranted assumption. The way things look at the moment, Donald will do a great deal more harm than any previous president.
PS Obama didn't achieve what he wanted because policy was dominated by the Republicans, of whom Donald is an arch ally.

Chip off the old block

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-eric-donald-jr-saidq-khan-london-mayor-attacks-terrorism-us-president-a7776721.html (7 June 2017) wrote:Donald Trump's sons Eric and Donald Jr back his barbed attacks on Sadiq Khan

And in other news

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-eric-trump-national-golf-club-cancer-charity-events-charge-foundation-st-jude-childrens-a7776826.html wrote:Donald Trump's company 'charged his son Eric for using family golf course to host cancer charity events'
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Held at the Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County, New York, the events charge guests thousands of dollars for tickets and Eric Trump has said use of the family property means almost all their donations will make it to the hospital, which is a centre for cancer research.

But according to Forbes' analysis of financial documents, the Trump Organisation billed the foundation for hundreds of thousands of dollars — up to $322,000 in 2015.

Ian

Psamathe wrote:Chip off the old block

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-eric-donald-jr-saidq-khan-london-mayor-attacks-terrorism-us-president-a7776721.html (7 June 2017) wrote:Donald Trump's sons Eric and Donald Jr back his barbed attacks on Sadiq Khan

And in other news

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-eric-trump-national-golf-club-cancer-charity-events-charge-foundation-st-jude-childrens-a7776826.html wrote:Donald Trump's company 'charged his son Eric for using family golf course to host cancer charity events'
...
Held at the Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County, New York, the events charge guests thousands of dollars for tickets and Eric Trump has said use of the family property means almost all their donations will make it to the hospital, which is a centre for cancer research.

But according to Forbes' analysis of financial documents, the Trump Organisation billed the foundation for hundreds of thousands of dollars — up to $322,000 in 2015.

Ian

Why am I not surprised in the least bit on both counts?
Billionaire steals from cancer charity,would be a better headline,but you not to say that are you?

Billionaire steals from cancer charity,

Steals!!!!

The charity willingly coughed up, just as they always do for these things, just as their CEO and staff pay themselves handsomely for their time organizing* it.
This is the 21st century, charity is now an industry.

*with a z as they are American.

meic wrote:

Billionaire steals from cancer charity,

Steals!!!!

The charity willingly coughed up, just as they always do for these things, just as their CEO and staff pay themselves handsomely for their time organizing* it.
This is the 21st century, charity is now an industry.

Is charity law as lax in the US as it is here?

I dont know but this charity seems to be running at half the expenses ratio of the UK norm.

A spokeswoman for the Trump Organisation told CNBC: “During the past decade, the Eric Trump Foundation has raised over $16.3m for St Jude Children's Research hospital while maintaining an expense ratio of just 12.3 per cent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 76826.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... ities.html

However if TRUMP was getting some of that money for his company, it clearly must be judged differently to other people creaming off a far greater ratio for themselves.

meic wrote:I dont know but this charity seems to be running at half the expenses ratio of the UK norm.

A spokeswoman for the Trump Organisation told CNBC: “During the past decade, the Eric Trump Foundation has raised over $16.3m for St Jude Children's Research hospital while maintaining an expense ratio of just 12.3 per cent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 76826.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... ities.html

However if TRUMP was getting some of that money for his company, it clearly must be judged differently to other people creaming off a far greater ratio for themselves.

They may well say that but investigative reporting (as opposed to simply reporting what they tell you) finds that whilst that used to be the case for a few years after it was set up, it hasn't been so for quite some time:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#35e699c26b4a

meic wrote:

Billionaire steals from cancer charity,

Steals!!!!

The charity willingly coughed up, just as they always do for these things, just as their CEO and staff pay themselves handsomely for their time organizing* it.
This is the 21st century, charity is now an industry.

*with a z as they are American.

Yeah right,it's all business after all eh?

bovlomov wrote:

meic wrote:

Billionaire steals from cancer charity,

Steals!!!!

The charity willingly coughed up, just as they always do for these things, just as their CEO and staff pay themselves handsomely for their time organizing* it.
This is the 21st century, charity is now an industry.

Is charity law as lax in the US as it is here?

Most likely more lax,but we're getting there,CUK anyone?

What kind of moron is this man,white supremacists friend and defender of all that's good and wholesome........

I think he is utterly out of his depth but refuses to admit it.

Bonefishblues wrote:I think he is utterly out of his depth but refuses to admit it.

Is that as well as being out of his mind?

reohn2 wrote:

Bonefishblues wrote:I think he is utterly out of his depth but refuses to admit it.

Is that as well as being out of his mind?

I think he's a sane idiot who has spent his life surrounded by sock cookers, much to America's detriment.

He's doing an excellent job (though not intentionally). US was always over dominant, too many other world leaders inthrall to whatever POTUS wanted ("invade this country with us" and the world leaps in without questions, etc.). It's for the good of the world if US declines in it's political dominance (might not be so good for US citizens but it's got to happen). And that's what Trump is doing - alienating other nations and world leaders.

But the detail is not all bad. e.g. Trump pulls-out of Paris and more of US becomes determined to exceed the Paris targets (net gain through the contrary response Trump created). Trump supports far right and the rest of the country is outraged and there is a big anti-far-right push.

US is so anti-Trump now, every time he makes a fool of himself, he inspires a massive counter reaction. To clarify, were to Trump to condemn the far-right protests in Charlottesville and it's all a non-story and would quickly drop from prominence; but Trump fails to condemn far-right and massive outcry, country rises-up against far-right, CEOs protest, internet companies start blocking hosting and social media accounts, etc.

OK, he's a disaster but the contrary reactions he creates pretty well every time he opens his mouth mean that the net effect is often better than had he "done the right thing". And his character flaw making lash out at anybody disagreeing with him is progressive alienating more and more Republicans meaning he is less and less likely to get any of his idea into legislation.

Ian

I'm wondering how long before his actions cause something global that effects us all