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Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 10:32am
by mercalia
Ben@Forest wrote:I think May felt she was forced into calling a GE - she was working to Cameron's manifesto and had the SNP breathing down her neck (remember how politically charged Sturgeon was making Scotland/Brexit/IndyRef2).
May ran a bad campaign and Corbyn has done well, but oddly the Scotland/Brexit/IndyRef2 issue has been resolved, with 24 seats now going to Unionist parties the SNP cannot now make the case that Scotland needs to be treated differently to the rest of the UK. The SNP got 36% of the vote compared to their highwater mark of 50% in 2015, they can't do moral outrage any more.
and that smiling self assured Salmond HAS GONE
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 10:36am
by blackbike
I've just heard Mr Corbyn say that he thinks Mrs May should step down as leader of her party because she didn't get what she wanted from the election.
As Mr Corbyn has not stepped down as leader of his party we can only assume he has got what he wanted from the election - defeat by the Tories and the failure of his party to form a government.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 10:38am
by [XAP]Bob
The seven seats from Sinn Fein are taken off the 650, and then halved.
So 650/2 = 325 becomes 643/2 = 322 needed.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 10:43am
by meic
The Speaker doesnt "play" either but that would still be 322 as 321 is a draw.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 10:56am
by blackbike
meic wrote:Well, she is now on her way to the Queen to request her post as Prime Minister.
No she isn't.
She is already PM and she is going to tell the queen she can carry on as she has the support of the majority of our elected MPs.
It is almost a shame we won't be seeing the farce of a Labour/SNP coalition, with Labour being forced to agree to a second independence referendum knowing that if Scotland did get independence it would probably mean Tory governments in the rest of the UK on a permanent basis.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:01am
by Canuk
meic wrote:Well, she is now on her way to the Queen to request her post as Prime Minister.
Hopefully the Queen will give May directions to the nearest Job centre Plus.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:08am
by mercalia
well the one lesson from this election is we dont want any of them really - time for a modern Oliver Cromwell to send them all on their way?
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:10am
by meic
time for a modern Oliver Cromwell to send them all on their way?
I thought that he started this whole Parliament thing.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:14am
by pwa
meic wrote:time for a modern Oliver Cromwell to send them all on their way?
I thought that he started this whole Parliament thing.
A grumpy bloke who ended up more or less as a dictator. Remembered in Ireland for massacres.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:15am
by thirdcrank
I've just seen a replay of TM's speech when her own constituency result was announced. When talking about a period of stability, she referred to what "we" must do. Not Thatcher impersonating Queen Victoria but seemingly trying to rally support from her own parliamentary party. Rather belated IMO.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:23am
by mercalia
meic wrote:time for a modern Oliver Cromwell to send them all on their way?
I thought that he started this whole Parliament thing.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:25am
by mercalia
pwa wrote:meic wrote:time for a modern Oliver Cromwell to send them all on their way?
I thought that he started this whole Parliament thing.
A grumpy bloke who
ended up more or less as a dictator. Remembered in Ireland for massacres.
not by choice - he tried so hard to avoid that, trying many experiments, even rejecting the crown when offered him and took the title
Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland, but he was surrounded by lesser men, only after self interest. A man who belonged to a later age
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:30am
by pwa
mercalia wrote:pwa wrote:meic wrote:
I thought that he started this whole Parliament thing.
A grumpy bloke who
ended up more or less as a dictator. Remembered in Ireland for massacres.
not by choice - he tried so hard to avoid that, even rejecting the crown when offered him and took the title
Lord Protector, but he was surrounded by lesser men, only after self interest.
I'm just imaging him as a Trump-like figure, seeing opponents as "lesser men" who are self serving. He did butcher whole communities in Ireland, so not a nice man by any measure.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:33am
by mercalia
pwa wrote:mercalia wrote:pwa wrote:
A grumpy bloke who ended up more or less as a dictator. Remembered in Ireland for massacres.
not by choice - he tried so hard to avoid that, even rejecting the crown when offered him and took the title
Lord Protector, but he was surrounded by lesser men, only after self interest.
I'm just imaging him as a Trump-like figure, seeing opponents as "lesser men" who are self serving.
He did butcher whole communities in Ireland, so not a nice man by any measure.
But they all did that in those days? hardly right to judge him by modern standards. Trump by comparison is a midget chancer. The
lesser men is a fact of history eg the Rump Parliament that tried to install its self without the need for election ever again or
the saints or godly men who were given a chance to rule and messed it all up.
Re: Hung Parliament means Hung Parliament - the Hung Parliament thread
Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 11:37am
by pwa
mercalia wrote:pwa wrote:mercalia wrote:
not by choice - he tried so hard to avoid that, even rejecting the crown when offered him and took the title Lord Protector, but he was surrounded by lesser men, only after self interest.
I'm just imaging him as a Trump-like figure, seeing opponents as "lesser men" who are self serving.
He did butcher whole communities in Ireland, so not a nice man by any measure.
But they all did that in those days? hardly right to judge him by modern standards. Trump by comparison is a midget chancer
Both similar in their faith in their own rightness and a determination to crush dissent.