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pwa wrote:UKIP in Wales are currently led by the very lovely Neil Hamilton, who would never have been elected for anything under his own banner. He got in because he was put on the UKIP list by UKIP central office and was not wanted by UKIP in Wales.

meic wrote:DUP would find their interests best served by supporting Conservatives even without a price being extracted in return.

All that needs to happen for Sinn Fein to take their seats is replacement of the oath/affirmation to the Queen to be replaced by an oath/affirmation to one's constituents...

The Sun can also reveal the Irish Republican party have refused to rule out taking their seats for the first time to vote through a Labour Queen’s Speech if Jeremy Corbyn offered them a referendum on unifying Ireland.

Vorpal wrote:

The Sun can also reveal the Irish Republican party have refused to rule out taking their seats for the first time to vote through a Labour Queen’s Speech if Jeremy Corbyn offered them a referendum on unifying Ireland.

meic wrote:The Sun has, of course, just made that up.
Sinn Fein have consistently stated and still do state that they will do no such thing.

thirdcrank wrote: The wheeler-dealing may go on within the parties or between them.

blackbike wrote:Our system for deciding on election timing is as good as any,

horizon wrote:Actually I think the election shows all sorts of good things about the UK way of doing things. Policy has changed, politics has shifted, Labour is happy (although they lost). the Tories are gutted (although they won). It seems to be a messy but flexible way of doing things: let's face it, David Dimbleby presided over a very open and democratic Election Night Special. Yes, the Greens should have more seats but UKIP didn't get many either. What it really showed is that it needs people to participate and that is their fault not the system's.

Ben@Forest wrote:...
I think the best thing to come out of the election is that whatever sort of Brexit we have it will be formed by a better spread of the political parties across the UK.....

Psamathe wrote:

Ben@Forest wrote:...
I think the best thing to come out of the election is that whatever sort of Brexit we have it will be formed by a better spread of the political parties across the UK.....

But will it. Or will it be determined by the Conservatives propped-up by a few MPs from a fairly extreme party from NI. So far May has only done what little is necessary to avoid her being thrown-out. Seems she is pretty set on "business as usual" like the election never happened, she's ploughing on regardless. Ok, she's had to appoint a few enemies to Cabinet to make sure they don't speak out and she'll have to divert a disproportionate amount of taxpayer money to Norther Ireland (oh and she's risking the NI peace process), but on Brexit she's still just not listening to anybody, least of all other parties or the electorate.

Ben@Forest wrote:

Psamathe wrote:

Ben@Forest wrote:...
I think the best thing to come out of the election is that whatever sort of Brexit we have it will be formed by a better spread of the political parties across the UK.....

But will it. Or will it be determined by the Conservatives propped-up by a few MPs from a fairly extreme party from NI. So far May has only done what little is necessary to avoid her being thrown-out. Seems she is pretty set on "business as usual" like the election never happened, she's ploughing on regardless. Ok, she's had to appoint a few enemies to Cabinet to make sure they don't speak out and she'll have to divert a disproportionate amount of taxpayer money to Norther Ireland (oh and she's risking the NI peace process), but on Brexit she's still just not listening to anybody, least of all other parties or the electorate.

With a fair rump of 'Remainer' or 'soft Brexit' Tories (look at what Ruth Davidson has been intimating) I think she'll have to be a lot more conciliatory. But the point is there are no longer 54 SNP MPS for Scotland - they would have legitimately argued all the way that the SNP view was Scotland's view.

Psamathe wrote:Not my impression following the lack of any outcome after Davidson met May (May still ploughing on regardless, no change).

Ben@Forest wrote:

Psamathe wrote:Not my impression following the lack of any outcome after Davidson met May (May still ploughing on regardless, no change).

I think we have to recognise that May (or whoever else was leading the country) is going to have a hard-nosed attitude which can then be negotiated. Just as the EU have sounded rigid or inflexible these issues will be discussed and terms found. The idea that May is some kind of devil incarnate while the EU is all sweetness and light is ludicrous.