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[meic]

I accept your correction, I was looking at assembly results.

You have just dismissed 94% of the Northern Irish MP's as terrorists' representatives.

[PDQ Mobile]

and not "pollsters got it wrong" - 'cos they got it right yet their prediction was rejected because we didn't believe it!

Only with the benefit of hindsight, which enables you to pick out the one poll which got it right from among hundreds which got it wrong.
The real trick is being able to pick the poll that got it right from all the ones who got it wrong before the result was announced.

Well I think Downing St. believed those polls.
Their fear was palpable (and olfactorable !) even up here, 2 hundred miles away!
It resulted in the barrage of personal abuse in the press against Corbyn in the final week.
The right wing press (and Mrs May) using the terrorist incidents unmercifully.
There are questions still to be answered in that regard.
Such as articles in the Telegraph from a former MI6 boss (non political organization?) stating "Corbyn wouldn't pass security vetting" and other tripe about an MP with 30 years of public service!


Now we see the publicity machine shifting the blame away from the Tories.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/40232154

The non-elected were to blame. Toxic employees!

Mrs May's "a nice woman really" just "not a good communicator". Etc etc etc.

Believe it if you dare.

[thirdcrank]

I'm not sure that dismissed is the right word. The point is that we've had quite a long period where NI political issues have not been prominent on the Westminster agenda and those that have been have been relatively minor such as the heating scandal. Quite by a quirk of first-past-the-post politics, a relatively small political party has suddenly been given disproportionate importance. Without wanting to be facetious, the "Chuckle Brothers" have gone.

[PDQ Mobile]

I'm not sure that dismissed is the right word. The point is that we've had quite a long period where NI political issues have not been prominent on the Westminster agenda and those that have been have been relatively minor such as the heating scandal. Quite by a quirk of first-past-the-post politics, a relatively small political party has suddenly been given disproportionate importance. Without wanting to be facetious, the "Chuckle Brothers" have gone.

Not laughing now!
I think you should have written " a relatively small and EXTREME political party has been given disproportionate importance".

Though whether it's a "quirk" or an inevitable is open to question?
Hmmm, we are always told Proportional Representation leads to weak governance!

[pete75]

I accept your correction, I was looking at assembly results.

You have just dismissed 94% of the Northern Irish MP's as terrorists' representatives.

No I said they are from parties which have or have had connections with terrorists. That's stating a fact. Nowhere did I say they are represent terrorists and dismissed is your word not mine.

[meic]

For an explicit reading of your post you are correct for an implicit reading of your post I am correct.

I wonder which way you intended it to be read. I know which way it reads.

[pete75]

The real reason Theresa May wants and agreement with the DUP - Arlene Foster is probably the only woman in the world who won't make her look terrible in photos .. Ugly yourself just choose someone even uglier to be photographed with

[pete75]

For an explicit reading of your post you are correct for an implicit reading of your post I am correct.

I wonder which way you intended it to be read. I know which way it reads.

AH I see criticise someone for your interpretation of their post

[meic]

So it was just posted in the middle of a political thread as a point of random academic, possibly historical interest?

[reohn2]

The real reason Theresa May wants and agreement with the DUP - Arlene Foster is probably the only woman in the world who won't make her look terrible in photos .. Ugly yourself just choose someone even uglier to be photographed with

Personal attacks don't get any worse than this

[Psamathe]

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Mrs May's "a nice woman really" just "not a good communicator". Etc etc etc.

Believe it if you dare.

I heard one on Radio 4 this morning, trying to pass all the blame for everything onto Fiona whoever and whoever Timothy and saying what a good and honourable person Saint Theresa really is. The PR drive to improve her image has been launched with massive force.

Ian

[pete75]

The real reason Theresa May wants and agreement with the DUP - Arlene Foster is probably the only woman in the world who won't make her look terrible in photos .. Ugly yourself just choose someone even uglier to be photographed with

Personal attacks don't get any worse than this

Well after all her personal attacks on Mr. Corbyn I think she's earned one of her own don't you?

[reohn2]

.....
Mrs May's "a nice woman really" just "not a good communicator". Etc etc etc.

Believe it if you dare.

I heard one on Radio 4 this morning, trying to pass all the blame for everything onto Fiona whoever and whoever Timothy and saying what a good and honourable person Saint Theresa really is. The PR drive to improve her image has been launched with massive force.

Ian

So what they're really saying is that TM isn't capable of projecting her own personality,she needs personal trainers to hide her real personality and project a completely false one?
Sounds about right.
My reaction to that is,what about policies,and what about track record ?
That tells me more than anything else about who's going to run the country for the next X years (or months )and what I've seen of Mrs May and the Torys it doesn't look very good at all.
TBH if I'm sick to the back teeth of anything it's politicians trying to pull the wool over my eyes with their false " campaigning" projections and soundbites.
I tire of froth and bubbles.

[meic]

Mr Timothy and Fiona have just resigned, an interesting bit in his apology

He said he regretted not including a pledge to cap total social care costs.

So who's manifesto was it?

[Psamathe]

Mr Timothy and Fiona have just resigned, an interesting bit in his apology

He said he regretted not including a pledge to cap total social care costs.

So who's manifesto was it?

I just posted elsewhere but the election failing was more May herself rather than policy. Any half baked politician could have breezed through the Dementia Tax U-turn yet instead May chose to deny she was doing any U-turn with her "nothing has changed" speech (whilst doing a whirling dervish") - complete farce that just focused everybody on how she lies and kept the issue in the news (crass stupidity). It was her cackle, her refusal to answer questions, her refusal to attend leaders debates, her attitude that lost her the election.

And now, just as she passed the NI budget U-turn blame to Hammond, she is now trying to pass blame for her failings on to others.

She selected these people, she managed them, she chose to take their advice, she is to blame. And her efforts to pass blame for her failings to others makes her nastier and nastier by the minute.

Ian