And the relevance is?
Always keen to learn!
I'm not in a teaching mode presently,so I'll say again,go figure it's not hard for a clever chappie such as yourself!
The three R's of the environmental mantra are Reduce, Reuse and Recycle, in that order, with a huge emphasis of the first. Critics like to jump to the third and least relevant, Why is that? Are they just looking for an argument they can win?
I was really just expanding on reohn2's point about batteries not being recycled but not being able to reassure him on lithium-ion. What you said about reduce and reuse I found very positive.
Sorry,it was only because I wasn't aware of the mechanics of recycling Lithium-ion batteries.horizon wrote: ↑1 Dec 2022, 11:49pmI was really just expanding on reohn2's point about batteries not being recycled but not being able to reassure him on lithium-ion.
Me too.What you said about reduce and reuse I found very positive
I figured out:
Keep your favorite light bike light and put the kit on a donor bike.francovendee wrote: ↑2 Dec 2022, 8:32am Having recently bought a kit to add assistance I'm hesitating to fit it. Not because I can't do it but because by nature I can be lazy.
My intent is to use the assist as little as possible but my laziness will kick in and I'll put less and less effort in.
I'm glad these weren't around when I was young, I've had 70 years without temptation.
Although an e-bike is seductive, its attractions are not just the ability to switch the motor to fool-gaz so you can have a rest. In fact, whenever I switch my motor to fool-gaz (which I've anyway limited to 150 watts) I find myself trying harder not less. For a start, the setting to get 150 watts means I have to output at least that much to get it. Less effort from me scales down the amount the motor gives, in a linear fashion.
Quite - they would need to have much better range, be lighter and ideally be cheaper to appeal to many existing cyclists.horizon wrote: ↑28 Nov 2022, 12:48pm
Well, extraordinarily, that five years has now passed .... So, how did the prediction fare?
Well, it's obviously way out as there are plenty of non-electric bikes still being sold. But the ebike phenomenon does still plough on. I think what I had in mind is that battery technology would improve exponentially - lighter, cheaper, longer lasting. AFAIK, that hasn't happened,
TBH you never do very well,as I feel sure you'll claim I don't.
QED. Thanks.reohn2 wrote: ↑2 Dec 2022, 1:47pmTBH you never do very well,as I feel sure you'll claim I don't.
My point was,L/ion batteries are but one pollutant among many.
I mentioned AA/AAA batteries as an example.
I am a polluter just like the rest of the people on this forum,including you,so please don't claim any holier points,we all pollute to a greater or lesser extent.
Indeed !reohn2 wrote: ↑1 Dec 2022, 8:21amjimlews wrote: ↑29 Nov 2022, 4:12pm The only difference that I can see between the "stink wheel" devices of former times
and todays electric bicycles is that the pollution they cause has been deferred to the
end of the battery life. And then there is the slave labour mining the rare elements required
to produce them...
What of all those use once then discard or rechargable AA,AAA batteries in use in almost every household in the land,if not the world at the end of their usable life,used in various battery powered consumables such as TV remotes,flashlights and bike lights,radios ,etc,etc.