Fitting for rear light on rack if no end-plate

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Re: Fitting for rear light on rack if no end-plate

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andrew_s wrote:Be aware that that J82S carrier bracket is for 8 mm solid aluminium rod racks, like the original Blackburns.


Yes, one rack is such a Blackburn. But it gets more complicated still as two racks have a platform and one (a Nimrod) even has a slightly sloping upwards platform. One rack has an extra very narrow bar at the back. All are different, the only thing they have in common is a lack of fixing point for a lamp. So all the suggestions so far have potential depending on the rack.

I've also looked at using a stem on the seatpost and a longish alu bar to project the lamp outside of the rack area. I like this as it puts the light just where I would like it (clear and viewable on the outside) but the downside is that the stem turns the light on its side (the same as a front light). I haven't got round to resolving this yet (it is OK but not very attractive and some LEDs would point skywards).

These are mostly old racks acquired for different bikes over the years but I'm loath to switch racks over and I work on the basis that every bike has a rear rack. BTW I normally use panniers but there's often a rack top bag on there or a tent or some shopping so a rack light (or something else) is essential. If I were buying a rack now, the first thing i would look at is a light fitting point.
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Vetus Ossa wrote:Andrew is quite correct, the bracket I linked will fit up to 8mm bar/tubing. Mine is fitted on my bagman, which is 7mm.
It is a nice firm solution if it does fit your rack.

If it fits, it is dead solid.
One time I got tail ended* by another rider, and the J82S got a bent extension rather than twisting round the rack rod. The other chap had the old-style spade fitting ripped out of the fork blade.

* T-junction, I called "car coming", meaning "stop", but he interpreted the call to mean "sprint", to get out before the car came.
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Re: Fitting for rear light on rack if no end-plate

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I think that some of the potential misunderstanding here is not knowing what type of lamp you want to fit. With you mentioning the end-plate, I took it that you were intending to use a lamp of the type that is fitted to the plate with two bolts. If your lamp is a Cateye, then they do a wide range of fittings for their lamps, including one to fit the end-plate, which is really an adaptor. Part of the problem can be that not all the brackets are available in many lbs's. The basic Cateye fitting is intended to go on a seatpost, which is not always ideal by any means for anybody with luggage.
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thirdcrank wrote:I think that some of the potential misunderstanding here is not knowing what type of lamp you want to fit. With you mentioning the end-plate, I took it that you were intending to use a lamp of the type that is fitted to the plate with two bolts. If your lamp is a Cateye, then they do a wide range of fittings for their lamps, including one to fit the end-plate, which is really an adaptor. Part of the problem can be that not all the brackets are available in many lbs's. The basic Cateye fitting is intended to go on a seatpost, which is not always ideal by any means for anybody with luggage.


Yes, it is either a straightforward Cateye or Smart and both (or at least the Cateye) have end-plate adaptors which I have bought - so that's three racks sorted. It's not cheap having already bought the light but then it's only one light shared between all the bikes (that's the idea anyway).

The problem arises because even the Cateye adaptor fitting requires an "end-plate" with the two holes at the correct distance apart. And some racks don't have this. I have no idea whether this is an old problem (i.e. all new racks have fitting points (end-plates) or it still just depends on the make of rack).

BTW I'm not even 100% convinced that the end of the rack is actually the best place for a rear light: it is quite low down, can be obscured by panniers extending backwards and from overhead by a large tent. However at least the luggage protects the lamp which is now in a vulnerable position. However anything is better than the seatpost light being completely useless whenever there is luggage on top of the rack.

Postscript: I'm somewhat dismayed that your own useful post is still relevant after ten years - I think it is time that lighting/rack/accessory designers got on their bikes and experienced the real world.
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gaz wrote:I have one of the brackets in Brucey's pic, let me know if it's of any use.


Thanks very much for that gaz. I'm still trying to get my head round it so hold the post for the moment ...
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horizon wrote:I've also looked at using a stem on the seatpost and a longish alu bar to project the lamp outside of the rack area. I like this as it puts the light just where I would like it (clear and viewable on the outside) but the downside is that the stem turns the light on its side (the same as a front light). I haven't got round to resolving this yet (it is OK but not very attractive and some LEDs would point skywards).


The Cateye TL-LD610 fits into its bracket either horizontally or vertically.
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LollyKat wrote:The Cateye TL-LD610 fits into its bracket either horizontally or vertically.


Thanks LollyKat- I'm going to set up the stem/bar (check it won't interfere with pedalling etc) and then look at that option as that would fit the bill.
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rmurphy195 wrote:I used a couple of P clips on one of mine

Two P clips for me as well, on a Carradice Bagman rather than a rack, then use the Cateye rack bracket
https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Cateye-Rear-Ra ... xoQAvD_BwE
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FWIW I've gone for one of these (ordered from Spa):

https://spacycles.co.uk/m2b0s169p1827/I ... mp-Bracket

Actually this is the one I was looking for originally. But the thead has opened up other possibilities and I'm going to look at the alu bar ideas.

Thanks again everyone - it's been really helpful.
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horizon wrote:The problem arises because even the Cateye adaptor fitting requires an "end-plate" with the two holes at the correct distance apart. And some racks don't have this. I have no idea whether this is an old problem (i.e. all new racks have fitting points (end-plates) or it still just depends on the make of rack).

The holes in a plate on the rack is a German standards thing, so any rack that's German, or widely sold in Germany, will have holes 50 mm apart, 80 mm apart, or both.

I use the rack fitting where I can, but if I can't (i.e. no rack), I put the light on the mudguard. Mudguard lights are always clearly visible, but they are vulnerable to parking knocks etc, comparatively speaking.
I use a dynamo, but there are battery mudguard lights available.

There are Smart end-plate adapters, and for Moon/Aldi lights too - I've got them.
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