New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

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New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby MikeF » 15 May 2018, 9:56pm

Highways England has constructed a new cycle route alongside the new dual A21. It was officially opened on 12th May and this video was made shortly before it opened. In spite of HE's own guidance it doesn't seem to be quite as good as it should be.
Proposed connections to it from Tonbridge Station, however, leave much to be desired - shared routes on pavements is the best Kent CC can do. :evil:

I have yet to try the route myself though.
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Re: New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby gaz » 17 May 2018, 10:49pm

Nice video, thanks for sharing.
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Re: New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby Pete Owens » 17 May 2018, 11:21pm

At 1:24 the rider appears to use the footway illegally - then complain about the poor riding surface.

The good part of the route in the middle consists of a road from which motors are banned.

The bits at either end are absolute minimum standard shared use pavements. Basically slightly wider footways with the usual dangerous road crossings at the junctions - they are designed for pedestrian use so really need cyclists dismount signs (however much we dislike them) to operate safely.

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Re: New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby mercalia » 18 May 2018, 4:01am

I wish I could cycle that fast

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Re: New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby mjr » 18 May 2018, 8:16am

Pete Owens wrote:At 1:24 the rider appears to use the footway illegally - then complain about the poor riding surface.

To be fair, the caption does complain that the junction leading to it is confusing.

The good part of the route in the middle consists of a road from which motors are banned.

The bits at either end are absolute minimum standard shared use pavements. Basically slightly wider footways with the usual dangerous road crossings at the junctions - they are designed for pedestrian use so really need cyclists dismount signs (however much we dislike them) to operate safely.

I disagree that dismount signs would make them safe because being slower and wider would just put cyclists at risk for longer. They need rebuilding to operate safely. I agree with the other bits. I wonder if this was done by the same group gaz met that only sees the new good guidance IAN195/16 as applying to new cycleways and is still building shoddy shared use to an unamended TA91/05.
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Re: New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby gaz » 18 May 2018, 9:26am

A21 widening was developped before IAN195/16 was introduced. https://highwaysengland.co.uk/projects/ ... -dualling/

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Re: New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby TrevA » 18 May 2018, 3:42pm

At least it's Tarmac. When they built the new A46 near me, the cycle paths they put in were loose ash/gravel paths with lots of gates that you have to stop and open. The A21 path looks prone to flooding in several places.

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Re: New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby [XAP]Bob » 19 May 2018, 11:40am

Pete Owens wrote: they are designed for pedestrian use so really need cyclists dismount signs (however much we dislike them) to operate safely.



No they are designed exclusively for motorists and require 'motorists get out and push' signs to make them operate safely.
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Re: New A21 cycle route appears good in parts

Postby MikeF » 20 May 2018, 8:17pm

Pete Owens wrote:At 1:24 the rider appears to use the footway illegally - then complain about the poor riding surface.

The good part of the route in the middle consists of a road from which motors are banned.

The bits at either end are absolute minimum standard shared use pavements. Basically slightly wider footways with the usual dangerous road crossings at the junctions - they are designed for pedestrian use so really need cyclists dismount signs (however much we dislike them) to operate safely.


I'm not quite clear why he's using the path or even why the path is provided at all as the road is blocked off.

Cyclist Dismount signs aren't "command" signs.

I'd be interested to try it myself to see what the finished section is like, so perhaps a trip to the other side (from me) of Tonbridge in the near future.

The part from Tonbridge Station to the road looks as though it's going to be as minimal as you can get judging by Kent CC's proposals!
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