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Jaffa89
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Coaching

Postby Jaffa89 » 18 May 2018, 6:45am

I took on a coach six months ago to improve my performance in races, but I've performed worse than ever and am left burned out because I believe I've been pushed too far in training and not been give enough recovery. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

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Re: Coaching

Postby foxyrider » 18 May 2018, 9:21am

Jaffa89 wrote:I took on a coach six months ago to improve my performance in races, but I've performed worse than ever and am left burned out because I believe I've been pushed too far in training and not been give enough recovery. Has anyone else had a similar experience?


Does sounds like there is insufficient rest in your programme. Have you talked to the coach about this?
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Re: Coaching

Postby eileithyia » 18 May 2018, 10:02pm

Surely the person to talk to is your coach, (s)he should be monitoring your performance and results on a daily weekly basis. What system is used to record and monitor your rides / performance. Do you add other metrics on a daily basis, ie how you feel, sleep hours, resting pulse, for them to see.
If I am tired or do not feel like doing something or am unsure about it, I either question it or just do not do the session and record the reason why. After all it is you that is paying them for the results you expect to get.
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Re: Coaching

Postby reohn2 » 18 May 2018, 11:45pm

Jaffa89 wrote:I took on a coach six months ago to improve my performance in races, but I've performed worse than ever and am left burned out because I believe I've been pushed too far in training and not been give enough recovery. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

All the time,she's called Mrs R2,it's been going on now for40+yeas and I can't find a way out :shock: ......... :wink:

Seriously though,when I was working there was a period when due workload I had to work 7days a week to clear the backlog,at the end of it I was mentally and physically cream crackered,and I learned a lesson not to over work myself.
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Re: Coaching

Postby Jaffa89 » 20 May 2018, 6:33pm

foxyrider wrote:
Jaffa89 wrote:I took on a coach six months ago to improve my performance in races, but I've performed worse than ever and am left burned out because I believe I've been pushed too far in training and not been give enough recovery. Has anyone else had a similar experience?


Does sounds like there is insufficient rest in your programme. Have you talked to the coach about this?


Too late was the cry Yeah I think there was insufficient rest in the programme, asked for some explanation from the coach and he thinks a downturn in my performance was a lack of hard work...obviously I took on a clown to guide me :roll:

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Re: Coaching

Postby Jaffa89 » 20 May 2018, 6:39pm

eileithyia wrote:Surely the person to talk to is your coach, (s)he should be monitoring your performance and results on a daily weekly basis. What system is used to record and monitor your rides / performance. Do you add other metrics on a daily basis, ie how you feel, sleep hours, resting pulse, for them to see.
If I am tired or do not feel like doing something or am unsure about it, I either question it or just do not do the session and record the reason why. After all it is you that is paying them for the results you expect to get.


I was using Training Peaks. Daily metrics I recorded for him to see, had a massive drop in weight 4kg over the past 4 months, complained of continuous muscle soreness and tendon pain were the obvious signs.

I've sent an email and asked for some explanation that he can see, but he's cut me off...not happy :(

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Re: Coaching

Postby Vorpal » 20 May 2018, 6:53pm

That sounds lame. Post a bad review about him on Facebook, or wherever they have advertised.

If you want coaching, you might be better off joining a sport-oriented local cycling club. Chances are they either have a coach, or can recommend one. They may also be able to offer csome advice about recovery. You are certainly not the first cyclist to overtrain.
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Re: Coaching

Postby eileithyia » 20 May 2018, 9:47pm

We have a friend, he would think nothing of doing training rides from Preston up to the Lakes and back in the day... he was a hard and successful local rider then he took on a coach... the coach totally broke him.

You do need rest it is part of the training programme, rest and recovery to help build the muscles up...

For what it's worth I do not think the weight loss is too drastic, having changed some of my diet and tried to be very good and not eat too much cake in the cafes, I too have dropped 3-4kg over the winter and suspect as a percentage of my weight to yours it is a higher weight loss?
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Re: Coaching

Postby althebike » 21 May 2018, 10:10am

The British Cycling website offers a lot of training options that can be downloaded for free, straight into training peaks.
Providing you use the program close to where you are now (physically) you should be fine. The programs are gently progressive with built in rest days and recovery weeks, which is something your current regime may be weak on.
Good idea to start serious training from a rested state, so you are fresh. pay lots of attention to rest, hydration and nutrition,and a steady improvement is on your horizon.
If your targets are short term, a coach may be encouraged to offer a crash course to get you to where you want to be, faster than your body can adapt, a longer term approach may be better where you build a base, do the pre season stuff and be ready to go full bore next year.