Fear.

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Fear.

Postby reohn2 » 13 Jan 2019, 1:25pm

I often wonder just what it is with some motorists that makes them anticyclist.
And I very often wonder if it's at some subconscious level they fear that they may have to become a cyclist themselves,given the undoubted class system that operates in UK society what they fear most is being a social pauper rather than a king.
Is it a theory worth discussing?
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Re: Fear.

Postby brynpoeth » 13 Jan 2019, 2:05pm

A PoB offered me violence today, so rare as to be noteworthy
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Started a new thread :wink:
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Re: Fear.

Postby kwackers » 13 Jan 2019, 2:09pm

Nah, for a start it's an irrational thing so doesn't hold up to examination.

Look at how cars are sold, empty roads, respect from your peers and neighbours. Suave sophisticated people getting in and out, luxury interiors, soft glowing buttons ready to convert your merest touch into instant commands.

The reality; stuck in a traffic jam, sniffing the exhaust of the car in front whilst paying several hundred pounds a month for the privilege of renting it and another several hundred just to keep it in food, worrying about leaving it alone or even finding somewhere to leave it whilst constantly being told your freedoms are nothing of the kind, how you must follow the rules and how you're responsible for destroying your environment.

Of course their angry - but who to blame? Can't blame other motorists because that'd be the same as blaming themselves.

Suddenly a cyclist pootles past, hardly moving yet overtaking and probably won't be seen again.
They're paying nothing, they're not renting that bike nor paying a fortune to keep it going and they're in front of you - and even if you overtake they'll pass you again shortly.

There's no rational reason to hate them other than they make a good target for your hate and so hate them you must.

They're 'winning' by doing stuff you can't do even though you pay a fortune and they pay nothing.
Hence all the moans from motorists are all about trying to make them have the same disadvantages as their cars but none of the advantages.

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Re: Fear.

Postby brynpoeth » 13 Jan 2019, 2:16pm

Cognitive dissonance, believing driving is fun :?

Remember, at the end of the lease con-tract you do not own the vehicle! You may buy it for several thousand pounds more, or upgrade to a new vehicle with higher monthly payments, or hand back the keys and walk/cycle home :?
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Re: Fear.

Postby reohn2 » 13 Jan 2019, 2:21pm

Kwackers
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Re: Fear.

Postby Pete Owens » 13 Jan 2019, 3:17pm

It is just primitive tribalism - people belong to their own tribe and conform to the social norms of that tribe and reject others.
Any identifiable minority will experience the hate - it is all the same - whether it is hating Blacks or Jews or Muslims or Gays or Mexicans or Catholics or Manchester United fans or Gypsies or Goths ... or cyclists.

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Re: Fear.

Postby Marcus Aurelius » 13 Jan 2019, 4:41pm


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Re: Fear.

Postby De Sisti » 13 Jan 2019, 8:09pm

Pete Owens wrote:It is just primitive tribalism - people belong to their own tribe and conform to the social norms of that tribe and reject others.
Any identifiable minority will experience the hate - it is all the same - whether it is hating Blacks or Jews or Muslims or Gays or Mexicans or Catholics or Manchester United fans or Gypsies or Goths ... or cyclists.

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Re: Fear.

Postby peetee » 14 Jan 2019, 12:22am

Tribal mentality has a lot to do with it. Not only will these people despise cyclists but they will also look down on the driver of any other vehicle that doesn't meet their exacting and narrow-minded ideal. That aside, I believe there are lot of people out there that would love to be fit lightweight and healthy but their lifestyle and lack of motivation make it unachievable. Being stuck in a traffic jam is a bite sized cameo of their stagnant, dead-end shackled life. You riding past, free and enjoying the journey is just rubbing it in.
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Re: Fear.

Postby Patrickpioneer » 14 Jan 2019, 7:49am

its the 'blues and the greens' your not of my clan so I shall hate you. Thankfully it is only a small minority and we do tend to forget all the considerate drivers we meet.
There is a very good book called the 'gift of fear' which does explain a great deal.
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Re: Fear.

Postby landsurfer » 14 Jan 2019, 2:45pm

AAHH .... Project Fear ... for cycling .... :)
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Re: Fear.

Postby charliepolecat » 14 Jan 2019, 3:11pm

Thankfully it is only a small minority and we do tend to forget all the considerate drivers we meet.


So very true. Where I ride most if not all drivers get over to the other side of the road when passing me. There are a few **** **** though and they do cause concern.

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Re: Fear.

Postby Phil Fouracre » 14 Jan 2019, 3:27pm

kwackers wrote:Nah, for a start it's an irrational thing so doesn't hold up to examination.

Look at how cars are sold, empty roads, respect from your peers and neighbours. Suave sophisticated people getting in and out, luxury interiors, soft glowing buttons ready to convert your merest touch into instant commands.

The reality; stuck in a traffic jam, sniffing the exhaust of the car in front whilst paying several hundred pounds a month for the privilege of renting it and another several hundred just to keep it in food, worrying about leaving it alone or even finding somewhere to leave it whilst constantly being told your freedoms are nothing of the kind, how you must follow the rules and how you're responsible for destroying your environment.

Of course their angry - but who to blame? Can't blame other motorists because that'd be the same as blaming themselves.

Suddenly a cyclist pootles past, hardly moving yet overtaking and probably won't be seen again.
They're paying nothing, they're not renting that bike nor paying a fortune to keep it going and they're in front of you - and even if you overtake they'll pass you again shortly.

There's no rational reason to hate them other than they make a good target for your hate and so hate them you must.

They're 'winning' by doing stuff you can't do even though you pay a fortune and they pay nothing.
Hence all the moans from motorists are all about trying to make them have the same disadvantages as their cars but none of the advantages.


Perfect summation :-) and, one of the best perks of riding a bike!!!
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Re: Fear.

Postby bigjim » 14 Jan 2019, 6:20pm

charliepolecat wrote:
Thankfully it is only a small minority and we do tend to forget all the considerate drivers we meet.


So very true. Where I ride most if not all drivers get over to the other side of the road when passing me. There are a few **** **** though and they do cause concern.

You don't ride in the UK do you?
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