Just enjoyed reading CJ excellent article on the Bartholomew map history. It’s a shame CTC cannot have a similar interactive map agreement with the Ordinance Survey to produce a series of cyclist’s maps of the British Isles done to an agreeable scale. Thus all the cycle routes done by various bodies could be on one map with comments on there suitability for cycling, instead of only being able to get strip maps of Sustrans routes on one particular route.
The prospective tourist could then consult his map, not knowing the area and see that he could take a cycle lane here, a C road there, even an A road (if it had been marked up as ‘quiet’ or ‘safe’ to cycle on) and the odd dirt track to get him to his destination.
The said map could also contain Hostels, campsites, bike shops, cafes (Hostelries) and anything else deemed useful to the cycle tourist.
Cycle maps
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gar
Re:Cycle maps
There must be a *historiography* to maps by now
quite a few being produced for different purposes
but covering the same area, starting of course, with
the 16C etched maps which fetch up to a thousand pounds in mint condition. Have there been any exhibitions of the History of Mapping in the UK?
Ordinance survey is just for the army finding bombs.
quite a few being produced for different purposes
but covering the same area, starting of course, with
the 16C etched maps which fetch up to a thousand pounds in mint condition. Have there been any exhibitions of the History of Mapping in the UK?
Ordinance survey is just for the army finding bombs.
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mike6
Re:Cycle maps
The latest editions of Ordnance Survey Landranger Series already provides much of the information jb asks for. A compromise has to be reached between providing information and completely cluttering the map.
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CJ
Re:Cycle maps
Glad you liked it jb.
Note for Mike6: Oh no they don't!
Sure there has to be a compromise: so why do ALL of the public footpaths appear on BOTH Landranger and Explorer maps, whilst most of the cycle paths are depicted by NEITHER? That's not a compromise, that's pandering to every demand of one user group whilst paying only lip service to the other.
Some other countries manage to map ALL the information a cyclist needs on a scale of 1:100 thousand. I don't think it's expecting too much of OS to do likewise given FOUR TIMES as much paper at 1:50 thousand. And if footpaths have to go in order to make the map less cluttered: the walkers have got their Explorer maps.
Note for Mike6: Oh no they don't!
Sure there has to be a compromise: so why do ALL of the public footpaths appear on BOTH Landranger and Explorer maps, whilst most of the cycle paths are depicted by NEITHER? That's not a compromise, that's pandering to every demand of one user group whilst paying only lip service to the other.
Some other countries manage to map ALL the information a cyclist needs on a scale of 1:100 thousand. I don't think it's expecting too much of OS to do likewise given FOUR TIMES as much paper at 1:50 thousand. And if footpaths have to go in order to make the map less cluttered: the walkers have got their Explorer maps.
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gar
Re:Cycle maps
CJ,
to take the extreme example it would be unreasonable to expect all LR maps to beoverprinted with Sustrans cartography.
LR and Explorer may show all the walking paths on both but not to the same degree at all.
Locally here we have the /hardy Trail and the Jubilee Trail which you don't notice as a cyclist
on LR at all, but when confronted with them on Explorer you ask yourself why ever have you been wasting time with LR, when you could have been doing all those long distance walking
routs by bike..... all of them marvellous rides?
You do have grounds for Objection CJ and that is precisely why the bill is being lobbied vigorously by us, as the CTC pressure Group in parliament.
Currently Map makers do not have the right to mark foot paths as cycle paths as well but we hope to be able to change it in a few weeks time.
Hope this helps
to take the extreme example it would be unreasonable to expect all LR maps to beoverprinted with Sustrans cartography.
LR and Explorer may show all the walking paths on both but not to the same degree at all.
Locally here we have the /hardy Trail and the Jubilee Trail which you don't notice as a cyclist
on LR at all, but when confronted with them on Explorer you ask yourself why ever have you been wasting time with LR, when you could have been doing all those long distance walking
routs by bike..... all of them marvellous rides?
You do have grounds for Objection CJ and that is precisely why the bill is being lobbied vigorously by us, as the CTC pressure Group in parliament.
Currently Map makers do not have the right to mark foot paths as cycle paths as well but we hope to be able to change it in a few weeks time.
Hope this helps
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jb
Re:Cycle maps
The "Land Ranger" maps try to be everything to every body and can get cluttered up. I’m sure with modern digital reproduction its not such a big deal to make a series of maps tailored to one group.
For instance the once used 1:75000 scale would be perfect for cyclists and all information not needed could be omitted or made very faint in the background – such as motorways & duel carriage ways. Cycle routes could then be highlighted with the most suitable being the boldest. As information would be supplied in by CTC members you could be sure that you were not cycling 10 miles up the road to find the campsite resembled a Butlins Holiday camp.
The problem with the 1:100000 is that there is not enough contour detail and C roads can need a magnifying glass to decipher them. Also its nice to have a map that you can use to determine hill names or small features in the countryside.
I was once deterred from taking a very nice circular loop in Scotland because the map I had showed it as two 12-mile dead end roads with no connection. It turned out on asking the locals that there was a very fine track running between them.
For instance the once used 1:75000 scale would be perfect for cyclists and all information not needed could be omitted or made very faint in the background – such as motorways & duel carriage ways. Cycle routes could then be highlighted with the most suitable being the boldest. As information would be supplied in by CTC members you could be sure that you were not cycling 10 miles up the road to find the campsite resembled a Butlins Holiday camp.
The problem with the 1:100000 is that there is not enough contour detail and C roads can need a magnifying glass to decipher them. Also its nice to have a map that you can use to determine hill names or small features in the countryside.
I was once deterred from taking a very nice circular loop in Scotland because the map I had showed it as two 12-mile dead end roads with no connection. It turned out on asking the locals that there was a very fine track running between them.
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gar
Re:Cycle maps
map I had showed it as two 12-mile dead end roads with no connection
This is NZ all the time or was in '97. you had to ignore the dad ends and assume that there WAS alink unless otherwise proven.
Yes ALL the cycling routes in a given area would be very interesting and valuable.
All the off road, all the sustrans and all the County cycling routes. That would be quite a lot. (Still not legal to sell maps with footpaths
as cycling paths, which many are)
This is NZ all the time or was in '97. you had to ignore the dad ends and assume that there WAS alink unless otherwise proven.
Yes ALL the cycling routes in a given area would be very interesting and valuable.
All the off road, all the sustrans and all the County cycling routes. That would be quite a lot. (Still not legal to sell maps with footpaths
as cycling paths, which many are)
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Omegabri
Re:Cycle maps
has anyone seem my website I've started for cycling routes sent in by fellow riders in the UK
You'll have to copy/paste the address....sorry
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/cycleman
omegabri...
You'll have to copy/paste the address....sorry
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/cycleman
omegabri...
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Elucasr
Re:Cycle maps
The digital maps are constructed in "layers" and you can include or exclude a layer as you wish. This can work very well in not having the map cluttered with symbols for racecourses, motor racing circuits etc.