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another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 5 May 2019, 3:50pm
by Brucey
I happened to be in an LBS this week when a young lad came in needing his (modern) road bike fettled prior to a planned 2000km trip including several alpine climbs. The cartridge bearing rear hub needed TLC (not for the first time), the transmission was worn (so a new chain and sprocket was required) and a few other small jobs were also agreed.

However the rims were also worn; it was a factory wheelset of some kind with odd rim drillings and rims that couldn't easily be sourced at a reasonable cost. Together with the rear hub problems the conclusion was 'new wheelset required'. The cost of an equivalent wheelset would have been between £200 and £300.

However if the wheelset had been different, what might the repair options have been?

a) factory wheelset, but with rims that you can buy, but needing new hub bearings and spokes, fitted by LBS; rims 2x £50, spokes ~£50, Build cost 2 x £25, hub bearings ~£40 fitted. Cost ~£240.

b) DIY repair of above ~£70 less. i.e. £170

c)DIY repair of above, but re-use old spokes ~£120 less. ie £120

d) cup and cone rear hub, 32/36 spoke wheelset, standard (posh-ish) rims, fitted by LBS. Hub rebuilt with new parts (or replaced outright) £30, rims 2x£50, spokes ~£35, build cost 2 x £25, total cost £215

e) DIY repair of above ~£50 less i.e. £165

f) DIY repair of above using old spokes £130

g) DIY repair as above but using commoditised rims costing about £20 each instead of £50 each cost ~ £70

h) DIY repair without hub replacement (hub is overhauled and adjusted instead) cost ~£40

So you can see that your 'wheelset running/repair costs' can vary by a factor of approximately x6 depending on what kit you choose to use and how you go about having the repair done. The strategy has implications for wheelset performance/ serviceability too. If you want the nth degree of performance then maybe a set of 32/36 spoke wheels isn't quite the right thing, but tbh the real (rather than imagined) performance differences are tiny; there are plenty of other things that make a much bigger difference than that. If you are going to have a wheelset problem half-way up an alp then you are surely better off with a set of conventional 32/36 spoke wheels or something.

The costs above also need to be compared with just buying an off the peg 'training wheelset' such as the base model shimano one. This is (from a repairability standpoint) only a little better than any other factory wheelset, but it has the great advantage that it only costs about £100. Only options g) and h) above are comparable/cheaper.

I'm firmly in the 'option h)' camp, unless the wheelset is actually used for racing, in which case it is unlikely ever to do enough miles to wear out. I can't remember the last time I let a hub get so bad it needed to be replaced; keeping them well lubed and adjusted means that they are effectively likely to last indefinitely.

cheers

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 5 May 2019, 5:15pm
by thelawnet
I just replaced a hub due to a damaged freehub body; yes I could have just bought a new freehub body, but the cost of a new freehub (better than the cheap factory one) and the freehub body is not too dissimilar, and there are men who build wheels here (in Indonesia) for about £2, so it seemed like the best option rather than trying to recondition a cheapo Shimano freehub (not that there is anything fundamentally wrong with them, it just seems like a decent opportunity to replace broken for better).

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 5 May 2019, 6:20pm
by Brian73
There's a type of roadie that buys a new bike then immediately sells the wheels.

Wheels are generally the part where manufacturers save money on a build, along with chainset and brakes.

You can pick up a brand new set of wheels for about half the price of a new set this way.

I have replaced worn cones with the Weldtite ones without issue, I have a set of sealed cartridge hub Giant branded wheels hanging on the wall unused, all my 'in use' wheels have Shimano hubs, including my 28 year old mountain bike, still on its original set of Alesa rims with Exage hubs.

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 5 May 2019, 7:13pm
by reohn2
The throwaway society,it's not doing any of us any good is it?

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 5 May 2019, 7:27pm
by mercalia
well glad I dont have any thing special. My Exal SP19 wheelset cost me just £26 2 x rims and spokes off ebay using the hubs I already have :)

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 5 May 2019, 8:12pm
by Jamesh
Probably not the best wheels for long dustance cycling.
But for your typical weekend warriors the Mavic / Shimano factory wheel sets are great.
Would I tour on one? No.
Would I ride a sportive? yes.
Would I commute on them? no
Horses for courses.

Cheers James

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 5 May 2019, 10:04pm
by Samuel D
Jamesh wrote:But for your typical weekend warriors the Mavic / Shimano factory wheel sets are great.

Why are they great if they cost hundreds to replace when you damage a rim or wear out the brake track, things that happen often if you ride much? They’re needlessly expensive compared to Brucey’s option (h) and also wasteful from an environmental point of view.

I wrecked a rim a few weeks ago and replaced it myself for £36 (Open Pro C bought a couple of years ago at that price). That’s great in my books.

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 5 May 2019, 10:48pm
by peetee
My experiences with factory built wheels are enough to put me off them all together.
I have been unable to source freehub bodies for a six year old Easton wheel, a six month old Giant wheel and Raleigh themselves sent six different freehubs to me -all wrong- because they didn't know what to supply for their own brand bike that was less than a year old.

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 6 May 2019, 9:05am
by Jamesh
What I meant was the rider who maybe gets out twice a week and two sportives a year they are fine.

If your an saddle bag tourer then probably not.

I have 3 pairs of factory wheels not had an issue with any apart from one which went out if true due to a collision.
Had it been a 36h wheel might the fork have taken the hit???

Cheers James

Re: another wheelset bites the dust....

Posted: 6 May 2019, 9:05am
by reohn2
Samuel D wrote:
Jamesh wrote:But for your typical weekend warriors the Mavic / Shimano factory wheel sets are great.

Why are they great if they cost hundreds to replace when you damage a rim or wear out the brake track, things that happen often if you ride much? They’re needlessly expensive compared to Brucey’s option (h) and also wasteful from an environmental point of view.

Quite!
I wrecked a rim a few weeks ago and replaced it myself for £36 (Open Pro C bought a couple of years ago at that price). That’s great in my books.

And even breaking a spoke on those wheels that have less spokes than you have gears,means a long walk home and a day's cycling ruined :?
Whereas on 32 or 36 spoked wheels a bit of a tweak of spokes either side of a broken one trues up the rim enough to ride home.