For a 1 week tour (wild camping) ... How much does your bike weigh?

[dim]

thank you ... good info!

One of the reasons that I posted this thread is that I read on a USA touring forum that some people tour with 60 pounds (27Kg) of kit....

that makes a big difference in wheel selection. I weigh 73kg, bike is 12 and a bit Kg .... I've never done a bike tour with tent etc etc

so, assuming a long tour with kit of 27 Kg ... the total weight works out to approx 112Kg .... and that needs a strong rim and good wheel build and I want to use tubeless tyres (For the Ireland trip I might try anaracer Gravel Kings SK (tubeless version in 38mm wide)

Obviously, I want to travel as light as possible for my Ireland trip, but maybe in time I might try a much longer trip so I may as well get a wheelset that will allow this

I don't like guessing and would rather have a stronger quality wheelset built ... I done the same on my other wheelset for my Trek Emonda .... HED Belgium Plus rims, Chris King R45 hubs (ceramic bearing upgrade), Sapim Cx Ray spokes ....

Well, one of the things I learned is that it doesn't matter too much what other people do...... it only matters what I do. Just remember that there are big differences between touring in different countries, never mind continents!

I'm not a tubeless expert, but from my reading there can be a love/hate attitude to them. Some people have little or no problems while others can have serious issues. My rule of thumb is to test out any significant change I make before heading away to unfamiliar places. I'd rather figure out the problems close to home.

Good luck!

thanks ! ... I've been using tubeless for 2 years now (Currently have Conti GP 5000 TL on my other bike).. I have had a few punctures from other tubeless tyres and they have always sealed with the Orange Latex ... the GP 5000 TL are amazing tyres and I've had zero punctures and have used them since December

If they don't seal from the puncture, I have the Dyna Plug racer tubeless repair plugs (takes 10 seconds to plug a hole).... if that does not seal I will add a tube ... I also have the correct tyre levers to mount the tyres

I'm a big fan of tubeless... and the wider the tyre, the less pressure is required and the more effective the latex works (thats why I'm opting for 38's)

[ossie]

If I'm doing a 1 week tour, I may start with only 100 ml bottles of both and a 4 week tour with 250ml.
For a pure weight weenie it may be less than a 500g difference, but it's there.

YMMV ............

Haha..its amazing what you can snaffle in camp site shower / washing up blocks to make up that deficit but if we stick to the wild camping theme of the thread then obviously that ain't happening . I agree about washing up liquid, I always go WAY overboard on that stuff.

I suppose we could add gas ? I use gas canisters and I guess I might take another one in fear of never finding one in mainland Europe

[yutkoxpo]

thanks ! ... I've been using tubeless for 2 years now (Currently have Conti GP 5000 TL on my other bike).. I have had a few punctures from other tubeless tyres and they have always sealed with the Orange Latex ... the GP 5000 TL are amazing tyres and I've had zero punctures and have used them since December

If they don't seal from the puncture, I have the Dyna Plug racer tubeless repair plugs (takes 10 seconds to plug a hole).... if that does not seal I will add a tube ... I also have the correct tyre levers to mount the tyres

I'm a big fan of tubeless... and the wider the tyre, the less pressure is required and the more effective the latex works (thats why I'm opting for 38's)

You're all set, so. Just get the wheels!

[Bmblbzzz]

We could always stick to the subject which is wild camping in Ireland. I'm not sure I've met many tourers who have a burning desire to go rock climbing or engage in any other hobby other than cycling and enjoying the surroundings and visiting local sites. As for seasons, well I'm still struggling to see how warmer clothing for one week would necessitate more warmer clothing for four weeks.

Other way round, no? If your tour is one week you can often be fairly sure of the weather and leave warmer gear at home. For four weeks, perhaps not. Similarly if you're moving a large distance, say starting in the Med and heading to the Alps.

If you dont get the washing clothing thing, then I suggest you may have missed the point completely or are being ever so slightly obtuse. I think you know what I meant. Clothing for one week will usually do for four weeks.

Sure, it's clear what you meant. Perhaps it wasn't clear what I said? You seem to have missed the point I was making, that some people might decide they don't want to do any laundry and prefer to take more stuff. Or vice versa.

I'm not suggesting these as desirable ways to tour, just personal variables - it was the variables you had asked about. Some people carry as much as 45kg, I've met people touring with a full size laptop and 'brick' charger, I also know some who will get four weeks' worth of gear into a Nelson. In the OP's case, there's fishing gear - something I know nothing about but which obviously has to be allowed for.

[ossie]

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I'm not suggesting these as desirable ways to tour, just personal variables - it was the variables you had asked about

Read the thread my friend. I didn't mention any variables. It was the other guy / gal nsew who mentioned variables. I was simply posting in the spirit of this particular thread .

Anyway, happy cycling, life is too short to get hung up on such stuff.

[whoof]

I'm currently touring, including some wild camping and I have fishing gear.
I'll weigh my stuff when I get back home. The one thing that varies a lots is food. As some small places have a poorly stocked, closed our either no shop I stock up when I can.

Regarding wheels I see you have a 126mm rear. If it's a freewheel hub I've broken a few axles over the years and that's on unladen bikes. I never broken an axle hub a free-hub.

[nsew]

Ossie wrote
“I always take the same kit, it always weighs the same.”

Therein lies the rub. I (and others) don’t always take the same kit and it doesn’t weigh the same. By some margin.

[dim]

I'm currently touring, including some wild camping and I have fishing gear.
I'll weigh my stuff when I get back home. The one thing that varies a lots is food. As some small places have a poorly stocked, closed our either no shop I stock up when I can.

Regarding wheels I see you have a 126mm rear. If it's a freewheel hub I've broken a few axles over the years and that's on unladen bikes. I never broken an axle hub a free-hub.

thanks .... My rear hub is 126mm 5 speed freewheel. (My LBS says I can use 7 speed with the hub)

I'm still not sure what rear hub I will get. There are not many new ones in 126mm so I'm also looking at second hand (Perhaps a Phil Wood, or Royce etc if I can find them) .... The other alternative is to change the rear spacing to 130mm

[whoof]

I'm currently touring, including some wild camping and I have fishing gear.
I'll weigh my stuff when I get back home. The one thing that varies a lots is food. As some small places have a poorly stocked, closed our either no shop I stock up when I can.

Regarding wheels I see you have a 126mm rear. If it's a freewheel hub I've broken a few axles over the years and that's on unladen bikes. I never broken an axle hub a free-hub.

thanks .... My rear hub is 126mm 5 speed freewheel. (My LBS says I can use 7 speed with the hub)

I'm still not sure what rear hub I will get. There are not many new ones in 126mm so I'm also looking at second hand (Perhaps a Phil Wood, or Royce etc if I can find them) .... The other alternative is to change the rear spacing to 130mm

I'm currently in Wetherspoons on my 5th cup of tea and using their internet.
List I've made no effort to go light as I wasn't planning on long days riding.
Surly LHT front and rear Ortleib roller panniers and bar bag, tent on top of rack.
Tent Terra Nova Voyager
Down bag, silk inner, Thermarest expedia mat.
Gas stove, gas, small meths stove and 500 ml of meths for quick brew.
Large and small aluminium pans and lids, steel mug with lid pan handle.Poundland non stick one egg frying pan with handle removed. Lighter matches, foon, tin opener. Washing up liquid& scrubber.
Tea, coffee, got chocolate satchets, Ketchup &Brown sauce sachets, curry powder, olive oil, chilli sauce.
Tooth paste & brush, small soap and flannel. Deodorant, travel wash, string & pegs,, Sun cream, sudacreme. Small trowel and paper. Towel.
Phone, Garmin, charger, spare AAs
2 spare bike shorts, 2t-shirts, fleece, 2 boxers 2 spare socks, trousers, shorts, waterproof over trousers, down jacket, water proof jacket, waterproof socks, woolly hat, cycling cap, gloves, buff, flip flops. Plus cycling clothes to wear.
Book, pen, note book, bird book, binoculars, camera, glasses. Head torch, Kindle tablet.
Poundland seat, small telescopic fishing rid and reel. Lines for float, spinner and weighted fishing.
Leatherman, 2 tubes, repair kit, 8 &10mm spanner, chain splitter, tyre levers, spoke key. Few nuts and bolts, gear and brake cables, very small oil 2 ml.
Swimming trunks, goggles, neoprene hat, dry bag/ float (can take valuables swimming).
Umbrella, this has been one off my best packing decisions.

Route, Devon Coast to Coast, North to South and then down the Cornish South coast to West Cornwall. A few days here and then back as far as Exeter where I will get a train.
Very hilly in parts longest day yesterday 105 km.

[dim]

I'm currently touring, including some wild camping and I have fishing gear.
I'll weigh my stuff when I get back home. The one thing that varies a lots is food. As some small places have a poorly stocked, closed our either no shop I stock up when I can.

Regarding wheels I see you have a 126mm rear. If it's a freewheel hub I've broken a few axles over the years and that's on unladen bikes. I never broken an axle hub a free-hub.

thanks .... My rear hub is 126mm 5 speed freewheel. (My LBS says I can use 7 speed with the hub)

I'm still not sure what rear hub I will get. There are not many new ones in 126mm so I'm also looking at second hand (Perhaps a Phil Wood, or Royce etc if I can find them) .... The other alternative is to change the rear spacing to 130mm

I'm currently in Wetherspoons on my 5th cup of tea and using their internet.
List I've made no effort to go light as I wasn't planning on long days riding.
Surly LHT front and rear Ortleib roller panniers and bar bag, tent on top of rack.
Tent Terra Nova Voyager
Down bag, silk inner, Thermarest expedia mat.
Gas stove, gas, small meths stove and 500 ml of meths for quick brew.
Large and small aluminium pans and lids, steel mug with lid pan handle.Poundland non stick one egg frying pan with handle removed. Lighter matches, foon, tin opener. Washing up liquid& scrubber.
Tea, coffee, got chocolate satchets, Ketchup &Brown sauce sachets, curry powder, olive oil, chilli sauce.
Tooth paste & brush, small soap and flannel. Deodorant, travel wash, string & pegs,, Sun cream, sudacreme. Small trowel and paper. Towel.
Phone, Garmin, charger, spare AAs
2 spare bike shorts, 2t-shirts, fleece, 2 boxers 2 spare socks, trousers, shorts, waterproof over trousers, down jacket, water proof jacket, waterproof socks, woolly hat, cycling cap, gloves, buff, flip flops. Plus cycling clothes to wear.
Book, pen, note book, bird book, binoculars, camera, glasses. Head torch, Kindle tablet.
Poundland seat, small telescopic fishing rid and reel. Lines for float, spinner and weighted fishing.
Leatherman, 2 tubes, repair kit, 8 &10mm spanner, chain splitter, tyre levers, spoke key. Few nuts and bolts, gear and brake cables, very small oil 2 ml.
Swimming trunks, goggles, neoprene hat, dry bag/ float (can take valuables swimming).
Umbrella, this has been one off my best packing decisions.

Route, Devon Coast to Coast, North to South and then down the Cornish South coast to West Cornwall. A few days here and then back as far as Exeter where I will get a train.
Very hilly in parts longest day yesterday 105 km.

thanks! ... your list gives me very good info .... enjoy your tour!

[nsew]

Whoof wrote <snip>

105k loaded down there is a fair old ride. Bravo. I recognise and carry a good portion of your kit. Of your spares that stands out and consumes space / relatively heavy - the 2nd inner tube. I’ve always got by with one and when that’s put into usage I pick up another. One set of footwear is all I’ll ever carry and I transport those on my feet. Swimming trunks? Use your cycling shorts and wash the saltwater out afterwards.

[whoof]

Whoof wrote <snip>

105k loaded down there is a fair old ride. Bravo. I recognise and carry a good portion of your kit. Of your spares that stands out and consumes space / relatively heavy - the 2nd inner tube. I’ve always got by with one and when that’s put into usage I pick up another. One set of footwear is all I’ll ever carry and I transport those on my feet. Swimming trunks? Use your cycling shorts and wash the saltwater out afterwards.

I've had the valve fail on a tube and in five days on this route saw one bike shop and that was shut as it was a Sunday.
Walking back and forth getting ready packing up in the morning in wet grass means wet feet. Only one pair of shoes means spending the rest of the day wearing wet shoes.Also if I've been riding all day riding in a pair of shoes it's nice to take them off for the evening nor have to walk around bare foot.
I f I get to a beach in the middle of the day I have a swim. If I do so in my bike shorts then either I have to wear two pairs of bike shorts in one day or ride in cold soggy shorts which neither I nor my Brooks saddle would appreciate. In addition when I swim I swim and not sit the the water bobbing up and down. Doing so with a pair of bike shorts on is literally a drag. They also dry quickly, my bike shorts I washed on Monday took two days to dry.

[nsew]

Ijshs

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,
Forgetting food you only need 15kg or less,
summer 20c + 8-10.

I would be more concerned about freewheel and tubeless.
Both are much discussed on other posts.

[whoof]

thanks .... My rear hub is 126mm 5 speed freewheel. (My LBS says I can use 7 speed with the hub)

I'm still not sure what rear hub I will get. There are not many new ones in 126mm so I'm also looking at second hand (Perhaps a Phil Wood, or Royce etc if I can find them) .... The other alternative is to change the rear spacing to 130mm

I'm currently in Wetherspoons on my 5th cup of tea and using their internet.
List I've made no effort to go light as I wasn't planning on long days riding.
Surly LHT front and rear Ortleib roller panniers and bar bag, tent on top of rack.
Tent Terra Nova Voyager
Down bag, silk inner, Thermarest expedia mat.
Gas stove, gas, small meths stove and 500 ml of meths for quick brew.
Large and small aluminium pans and lids, steel mug with lid pan handle.Poundland non stick one egg frying pan with handle removed. Lighter matches, foon, tin opener. Washing up liquid& scrubber.
Tea, coffee, got chocolate satchets, Ketchup &Brown sauce sachets, curry powder, olive oil, chilli sauce.
Tooth paste & brush, small soap and flannel. Deodorant, travel wash, string & pegs,, Sun cream, sudacreme. Small trowel and paper. Towel.
Phone, Garmin, charger, spare AAs
2 spare bike shorts, 2t-shirts, fleece, 2 boxers 2 spare socks, trousers, shorts, waterproof over trousers, down jacket, water proof jacket, waterproof socks, woolly hat, cycling cap, gloves, buff, flip flops. Plus cycling clothes to wear.
Book, pen, note book, bird book, binoculars, camera, glasses. Head torch, Kindle tablet.
Poundland seat, small telescopic fishing rid and reel. Lines for float, spinner and weighted fishing.
Leatherman, 2 tubes, repair kit, 8 &10mm spanner, chain splitter, tyre levers, spoke key. Few nuts and bolts, gear and brake cables, very small oil 2 ml.
Swimming trunks, goggles, neoprene hat, dry bag/ float (can take valuables swimming).
Umbrella, this has been one off my best packing decisions.

Route, Devon Coast to Coast, North to South and then down the Cornish South coast to West Cornwall. A few days here and then back as far as Exeter where I will get a train.
Very hilly in parts longest day yesterday 105 km.

thanks! ... your list gives me very good info .... enjoy your tour!

Unfortunately got back and unpacked, did my washing and put everything away and then remembered I was going to weigh it!
I can tell you it was heavy. I've done a weekend camping and everything including the bike came to less than 10 kg but made no effort on this trip to try in regards to lightness, I've never carried a seat or fishing gear with me and if I go to Southern Europe (which I usually do) I take fewer clothes.
However, it is still possible to ride reasonable distances loaded down in hilly terrain you just need to keep going. I was planning to do rides of around 60 - 80 km per day but the weather wasn't what it could have been and I spent more time than originally planned in West Cornwall so in the end longest day was West Cornwall to Okehampton 185 km.