2011 Vuelta result revision

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2011 Vuelta result revision

Postby Brucey » 14 Jun 2019, 11:36am

Juan Jose Cobo has been found to have 'anomalies' in his 2009-2011 biological passport and has (subject to an appeal) been stripped of his 2011 Vuelta win. Should the appeal be unsuccessful then it means that Chris Froome, currently flat on his back in hospital, wins a bike race that happened nearly eight years ago. I think he'd probably trade it for a chance to ride the 2019 tour right now.

Where will it all end?

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Re: 2011 Vuelta result revision

Postby mattheus » 14 Jun 2019, 12:01pm

How long did Armstrong's titles last until he was stripped of them? It was similar, wasn't it?

There are possibly more examples of this from Olympic track (& no doubt other disciplines). Every few months a Russian or African medallist seems to lose a medal - which then gets posted onto someone else. Generally a plucky Brit in the cases that reach our press.

Where do you draw the line? On the one hand, you don't want to give the message that cheats are "safe" after their crime's Expiry Date - but as I think Brucey is implying, it starts to feel a bit bonkers for really old titles. My gut feeling is that the UCI should declare a line-in-the-sand; races could have No Winner, or an asterisk by the winner's name; everyone that matters would know they'd cheated. 10 years? <gallic shrug>

There doesn't seem to be a satisfactory obvious solution - I think some sport would have found one by now, if there was :(

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Re: 2011 Vuelta result revision

Postby De Sisti » 14 Jun 2019, 12:48pm

Goldie Sayers to receive a bronze medal from the 2008 Olympics that she was cheated out of.
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Re: 2011 Vuelta result revision

Postby rjb » 14 Jun 2019, 1:04pm

So Froomdog gets the 2011 Vuelta win then has to hand back his 2017 win for a similar issue with excess Salbutamol use. Where will it all end. :shock:
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Re: 2011 Vuelta result revision

Postby mjr » 14 Jun 2019, 1:37pm

mattheus wrote:How long did Armstrong's titles last until he was stripped of them? It was similar, wasn't it?

His results from 1998 were invalidated in 2012, so 14 years, so 6 years longer than this one.

In that case, the races were declared to have no winner, as you suggest. As I understand it, that was mainly because it was felt unsafe because the potential winners were not tested to anything like the current level, so no winner was "thus avoiding all polemics as to the credibility of eventual winners" according to the French Federation of Cycle-sport. The prize money was redirected to youth cycling projects.
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Re: 2011 Vuelta result revision

Postby mjr » 14 Jun 2019, 1:39pm

rjb wrote:So Froomdog gets the 2011 Vuelta win then has to hand back his 2017 win for a similar issue with excess Salbutamol use. Where will it all end. :shock:

I've not heard about the 2017 situation changing. Where's that reported, please? It's not on http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/christopher-froome/
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Re: 2011 Vuelta result revision

Postby reohn2 » 14 Jun 2019, 1:44pm

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Re: 2011 Vuelta result revision

Postby mattheus » 14 Jun 2019, 3:15pm

mjr wrote:
rjb wrote:So Froomdog gets the 2011 Vuelta win then has to hand back his 2017 win for a similar issue with excess Salbutamol use. Where will it all end. :shock:

I've not heard about the 2017 situation changing. Where's that reported, please? It's not on http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/christopher-froome/

Seems like a major omission. :roll: