Dogs off lead on shared use path

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Re: Dogs off lead on shared use path

Postby Cugel » 22 Sep 2019, 10:15pm

Tangled Metal wrote:And dogs don't take over the roads on big sorties throwing gel wrappers and other rubbish into the side if the road without a care. At least most dog owners pick up the poop. If only every supportive rider took their rubbish home with them.

If course we can play the game of giving examples of bad behaviour all evening long but where does that get us? As a responsible dog owner and cyclist I make a lot of effort to walk the dog or ride my bike in a responsible way and I do confront others who I see don't if the chance arises. With both groups I have found bad behaviour to be a minority. It still gives ammunition against us when people see these minorities.


I have discussed this discussion with the collies and their opinion, which they have asked me to relay, is that y'all need a good nipping then putting in the pen.

And yes, they know all about that Ballantine and his pump manoeuvre so you can forget it! Or get a double nip and a crunched up pump as you're driven into the pen.

Cugel

PS I have picked up over 100 gel wrappers on Lancaster canal in my time as unofficial litter-picker. But that's nothing compared to the plastic water/coke bottle and crisp packet numbers. And let's not forget the various large pieces of rotted boat bits. And single running shoes. (??) And, oh, all sorts.

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Re: Dogs off lead on shared use path

Postby robing » 23 Sep 2019, 7:17am

Tangled Metal wrote:And dogs don't take over the roads on big sorties throwing gel wrappers and other rubbish into the side if the road without a care. At least most dog owners pick up the poop. If only every supportive rider took their rubbish home with them.

If course we can play the game of giving examples of bad behaviour all evening long but where does that get us? As a responsible dog owner and cyclist I make a lot of effort to walk the dog or ride my bike in a responsible way and I do confront others who I see don't if the chance arises. With both groups I have found bad behaviour to be a minority. It still gives ammunition against us when people see these minorities.

I beg to differ. A lot of dog owners do not pick up. Sometimes it's deliberate (picking up dogshit isn't pleasant) sometimes it's because the dog is off lead and they're not watching they don't see it. Stayed at a campsite recently - dogshit everywhere.
I abhor littering too. But that's a much wider problem, only a fraction of littering is from cyclists.

What would you rather tread on? A gel wrapper or dogshit?

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Re: Dogs off lead on shared use path

Postby De Sisti » 23 Sep 2019, 7:27am

Tangled Metal wrote:And dogs don't take over the roads on big sorties throwing gel wrappers and other rubbish into the side if the road without a care. At least most dog owners pick up the poop. If only every supportive rider took their rubbish home with them.

Not all dog owners pick up their pet's $h1t. Car drivers are responsible for throwing rubbish out of their vehicles onto our roads (including carrying out fly-tipping). :evil:

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Re: Dogs off lead on shared use path

Postby Tangled Metal » 23 Sep 2019, 8:38am

And cyclists are responsible for litter too. It might not be the majority but cyclists aren't the majority neither.

Step on dog shoot or gel wrapper? Prefer to step on the wrapper of course but would still prefer the shoot on the floor than the plastic wrapper. You have to think long term damage to the environment over personal disgust over stepping on dog shoot.

I guess people have different experiences of dog shoot. I can honestly say the problem round here is a tiny fraction of what it used to be. I was a kid and it was everywhere. It's seriously not now. Although there could be an issue in some areas. I doubt those thugs with dogs pick up anything.

Round our neck of the woods we have a rare few problem dog owners. One's a runner with labradors. Tbe dogs run free and he never watches them. Other dog owners gave given him hell. Even made him pick it up once (without a bag). It's always big dog owners that are irresponsible round here. Usually labrador owners.

Being on a popular LEJOG route gel wrappers and other typical cyclist related rubbish is common.

Cugel - you must have been local to Lancaster at one time I reckon. They have a local canal litter pick round our neck of the woods too. Unfortunately I think they're aimed at retirees and other people who are free midweek during working hours.

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Re: Dogs off lead on shared use path

Postby robing » 23 Sep 2019, 9:33am

Tangled Metal wrote:And cyclists are responsible for litter too. It might not be the majority but cyclists aren't the majority neither.

Step on dog shoot or gel wrapper? Prefer to step on the wrapper of course but would still prefer the shoot on the floor than the plastic wrapper. You have to think long term damage to the environment over personal disgust over stepping on dog shoot.

I guess people have different experiences of dog shoot. I can honestly say the problem round here is a tiny fraction of what it used to be. I was a kid and it was everywhere. It's seriously not now. Although there could be an issue in some areas. I doubt those thugs with dogs pick up anything.

It's always big dog owners that are irresponsible round here.


I agree with you there. Husky owners too. Fwiw I'm not anti dog, I had a dog for many years myself. I was in some ways playing devil's advocate. However, since being dogless for almost a decade now, all I tend to see are the negatives - fouling, barking, and as a runner lots of poorly controlled dogs that will sometimes chase or just get in the way and trip you up. I really don't like dogs on campsites though and try and find dog free campsites or wild camping.

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Re: Dogs off lead on shared use path

Postby Cugel » 23 Sep 2019, 9:35am

Tangled Metal wrote:And cyclists are responsible for litter too. It might not be the majority but cyclists aren't the majority neither.

(snip)
Cugel - you must have been local to Lancaster at one time I reckon. They have a local canal litter pick round our neck of the woods too. Unfortunately I think they're aimed at retirees and other people who are free midweek during working hours.


I lived in and around Lancaster for 50 years after going there from Tyneside, where I was dragged up, to the then new uni. In the latter 25 years in the area I lived south of Lancaster near the canal, which I frequented nearly every day for one reason or another - photography hobby, dog-walking and so forth. I always took a carrier bag and always managed to fill them with rubbish, from the canal sections between Haverbreaks and Forton as well as down the Glasson Dock spur.

When I first began the litter picking I needed bin bags, there was so much. Gradually those areas became near litter-free, although hidden stuff was always revealed after the long summer growth died back. I became obsessive and have ripped many a ganzi scrambling up and down the banks to get the crisp bag or beer tin thrown up into the brambles. :-)

Here in West Wales, such casual rubbish chucking is very rare. There is a bit ejected from cars that sticks in the hedges. However, there seem to be dozens of litter pickers clearing that out here. I sometimes meet one whilst out on the bike. In Brechfa Forest, along over 100 miles of forestry roads and bridleways, I must have picked up about two plastic water bottles and one gel wrapper in the last 8 months. And we go there near every day dog walking between 4 and 8 miles a time.

The Lancaster canal rubbish probably amounted to thousands of bags over the years.

All this, by the way, was just me and my obsession, not part of any organised litter pick. I often met folk on the canal who complimented me on my picking, to which I would respond with the offer a carrier bag and an invitation to have a go themselves. The general response was, "I'm not picking up other people's rubbish"!

The only stuff I disliked was the dog poo in a plastic bag chucked into the hedge to hang there rotting. It still got bagged.

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Re: Dogs off lead on shared use path

Postby brynpoeth » 23 Sep 2019, 9:21pm

An obsession, a useful obsession, is there a medical term for that? I have had this obsession too, lots of stuff gets washed up on the fjord near home
Must look out for usable wood :wink:
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Re: Dogs off lead on shared use path

Postby Tangled Metal » 23 Sep 2019, 10:30pm

There was a walking group trip I went on near Silverdale and turned back from talking to a mate when walking between two walls. There was a tree branch above my head but I ducked instinctively before I even saw what was dangling from the branch. In doing so I was inches from hitting full face a bag of poop with the UV and conditions having left the bag a series of holes. One touch and the contents drop.

I'm other side of Lancaster on the canal we use it every day for dog walking. It's pretty clean on the towpath but there's paths off towpath used by the youth of today. That means plenty of pop bottles, cans and probably remnants of smoking something herbal. There's bins every so often. Pooper scooping isn't really a chore with bins that common.

To get back to problems, whether walking, running, cycling with our son or walking the dog we often encounter cyclists riding far too fast for safety. We've even seen roadies at the majority of their road pace.