Tangled Metal wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 8:34pm
The time to argue against monarchy is before the monarch dies so that there's a time to change to the new before you get the issue of a royal funeral with all that pomp and respect thing going on. How many of those 70 years were you alive and not arguing so strongly against it or for a Republic on here as strongly as now? Or is it a recent conversion due to the events this week?
I would agree but I think it's highlighted at the moment with OTT police suppression of some protests (e.g. holding up a blank sheet of paper!) and ongoing BBC adulation and how "the Royals can do no wrong". Grates a bit after the first 96 hrs and no sign of it lessening atall.
Plus I read that a Bank Holiday means a £2bn. We had an extra one earlier this year for Royal purposes and now another and the economy is pretty bad already. Mourning does not need to be pushing us into recession when we are already struggling.
djnotts wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 7:39pm
The entire coverage is propaganda and censorship of the highest order. 20% of the population does not support a monarchic system, but from what little I have heard/seen/read sure isn't 1 in 5 questioning the status quo. The speed of the queen is dead, long live the king, with massive amounts of expensive pomp and pageantry, is pure deception. It was the perfect opportunity to consider and question the past structures. Gone.
A new head of state based on hereditary. A symbol of all that is wrong with England and its colonies in these islands.
There was no opportunity there for the system to be questioned. The procedure is long established. The heir becomes monarch the instant the old monarch takes their last breath. So your "perfect opportunity" never existed. But when the Queen is interred and the crowds have gone home, we will have a calmer atmosphere and reasonable people can question the current system without appearing to be trying to spoil other people's attempts to pay their respects to someone they admire or feel affection for. I think there will be a time for proper debate, and I will side with a republican solution, but that time is not now. Protesting against monarchy amid what amounts to a ten day long funeral for a popular Queen is unkind to those who feel her loss, and that should concern anyone who cares about other people.
djnotts wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 7:39pm
The entire coverage is propaganda and censorship of the highest order. 20% of the population does not support a monarchic system, but from what little I have heard/seen/read sure isn't 1 in 5 questioning the status quo. The speed of the queen is dead, long live the king, with massive amounts of expensive pomp and pageantry, is pure deception. It was the perfect opportunity to consider and question the past structures. Gone.
A new head of state based on hereditary. A symbol of all that is wrong with England and its colonies in these islands.
There was no opportunity there for the system to be questioned. The procedure is long established. The heir becomes monarch the instant the old monarch takes their last breath. So your "perfect opportunity" never existed. But when the Queen is interred and the crowds have gone home, we will have a calmer atmosphere and reasonable people can question the current system without appearing to be trying to spoil other people's attempts to pay their respects to someone they admire or feel affection for. I think there will be a time for proper debate, and I will side with a republican solution, but that time is not now. Protesting against monarchy amid what amounts to a ten day long funeral for a popular Queen is unkind to those who feel her loss, and that should concern anyone who cares about other people.
There'll never be an opportunity to question the monarchy because the opportunity won't be allowed to arise beyond a polite hyperthetical mutterings in passing against claims of "they bring in lots of tourism" or the ridiculous statement "they're chosen by God" or "they're part of our tradition".
It's a complete travesty in a modern so called 'democracy'(sic) that you,me and everyone else are subjects to a hereditary king or queen as much as it's a travesty there exists hereditary peers or the likes of Boris Johnson choose to place in the house of lords the son of a Russian KGB agent!
The establishment is plain to see and rubs ours noses in it's sh*t!
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"All we are not stares back at what we are"
W H Auden
Tangled Metal wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 2:27pm
It's too late to protest when the change over has already happened. But it's a significant time to protest, when the audience is wider such as in the background to the coffin being driven past.
However rights legislation do not specify what is an acceptable time to protest. We have to assume any time is OK but accept that it might not be and it's the untrained police officer seemingly appointed to decide. Isn't that a good idea? lol
They have a lot on their plate right now. And folk attempting to do something that is bound to upset the crowd around them is a potential source of trouble that they don't need. One of their duties is the keep order, and that is why they step in. Keeping two sides apart, if you like.
They are not trained to handle this situation. That training should be briefing on how to decide on when offence is sufficient to arrest. They've screwed up too many times. They know it but the word hasn't gone out to the "untrained" PC plod doing the crowd control. It's not the street level fault but systematic fault within the hierarchy of the various constabularies who have been involved so far.
It seems to be policies being made on the spot by rank and file police officers. That can't be right surely?
I mean a protester gets jumped by two guys then pinned down and they arrest the protester?
As some food banks are forced to close for the queen's funeral people are advised Paddington bear at Buck palace has enough marmalade sandwiches.
That's how bonkers this whole absurd pompous display has become.....
reohn2 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 8:22am
As some food banks are forced to close for the queen's funeral people are advised Paddington bear at Buck palace has enough marmalade sandwiches.
That's how bonkers this whole absurd pompous display has become.....
At last a positive benefit from Brexit.
At long last we can unchain business (greed) from the fetters of EU regulation.
I'm sure this will be a huge help to the low paid.
reohn2 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 8:22am
As some food banks are forced to close for the queen's funeral people are advised Paddington bear at Buck palace has enough marmalade sandwiches.
That's how bonkers this whole absurd pompous display has become.....
reohn2 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 8:22am
As some food banks are forced to close for the queen's funeral people are advised Paddington bear at Buck palace has enough marmalade sandwiches.
That's how bonkers this whole absurd pompous display has become.....
reohn2 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 8:22am
As some food banks are forced to close for the queen's funeral people are advised Paddington bear at Buck palace has enough marmalade sandwiches.
That's how bonkers this whole absurd pompous display has become.....
reohn2 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 8:22am
As some food banks are forced to close for the queen's funeral people are advised Paddington bear at Buck palace has enough marmalade sandwiches.
That's how bonkers this whole absurd pompous display has become.....
lol
