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Tangled Metal wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 6:45am They are not trained to handle this situation. That training should be briefing on how to decide on when offence is sufficient to arrest. They've screwed up too many times. They know it but the word hasn't gone out to the "untrained" PC plod doing the crowd control. It's not the street level fault but systematic fault within the hierarchy of the various constabularies who have been involved so far.

It seems to be policies being made on the spot by rank and file police officers. That can't be right surely?

I mean a protester gets jumped by two guys then pinned down and they arrest the protester?

Wonder if the two brave men who assaulted that young guy would try the same with these?

https://www.thenational.scot/sport/2149 ... netsk-tie/

pete75 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 12:16pm

Bonefishblues wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 11:31am

pete75 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 11:30am
What's all this about Paddington Bear and the queen? It seems to be popping up all over the place.

Her famous double-act with a cartoon bear.

What famous double act?

At 50 secs onward...

Even made news in the Antipodes - I guess not in Lincs

https://youtu.be/BICz-I6oeLE

Tangled Metal wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 6:45am They are not trained to handle this situation. That training should be briefing on how to decide on when offence is sufficient to arrest. They've screwed up too many times. They know it but the word hasn't gone out to the "untrained" PC plod doing the crowd control. It's not the street level fault but systematic fault within the hierarchy of the various constabularies who have been involved so far.

It seems to be policies being made on the spot by rank and file police officers. That can't be right surely?

I mean a protester gets jumped by two guys then pinned down and they arrest the protester?

Any links to a report (Google didn't show me anything)

Thanks
Ian

So, during this week, when we're in official mourning for the dead queen, I'm still on my perennial hunt for any benefits of our leaving the EU - plot spoiler: nothing yet that's supported by any data...
As I muse on the success of the move, I'm frequently reminded by fans that it's about democracy and sovereignty. And so it's an interesting moment perhaps to reflect on the fact that the head of state isn't elected but instead happens to be the family son and who's exempt from many of our laws, for example with respect to inheritance tax - and the head of government has just been put in place by around zero point 3 percent of the UK electorate...
I'm confused!

Bonefishblues wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 12:22pm

pete75 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 12:16pm

Bonefishblues wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 11:31am

Her famous double-act with a cartoon bear.

What famous double act?

At 50 secs onward...

Even made news in the Antipodes - I guess not in Lincs

https://youtu.be/BICz-I6oeLE

I watched nowt to do with that Jubilee.

simonineaston wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 2:11pm So, during this week, when we're in official mourning for the dead queen, I'm still on my perennial hunt for any benefits of our leaving the EU - plot spoiler: nothing yet that's supported by any data...
As I muse on the success of the move, I'm frequently reminded by fans that it's about democracy and sovereignty. And so it's an interesting moment perhaps to reflect on the fact that the head of state isn't elected but instead happens to be the family son and who's exempt from many of our laws, for example with respect to inheritance tax - and the head of government has just been put in place by around zero point 3 percent of the UK electorate...
I'm confused!

This is informative

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... e-property

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ing-eating

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -exemption

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nts-reveal

I suspect that for republicans/anti-monarchists, there's no time like the present.

The extent of the respect and affection being displayed towards the late queen are not universally extended to her children and it's still uncertain which way public opinion will move, especially when whipped up by controversy-hungry media.

Our new king has still to navigate the Camilla controversy which is only made different from the Edward VIII abdication issue by changed attitudes to divorce. Edward VIII didn't have the Diana skeleton in the cupboard. Or the Grand Old Duke of York.

Clever Dick sniping now may have a certain feel-good factor but it will be counterproductive in the longer term. imo

thirdcrank wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 2:51pm I suspect that for republicans/anti-monarchists, there's no time like the present.

The extent of the respect and affection being displayed towards the late queen are not universally extended to her children and it's still uncertain which way public opinion will move, especially when whipped up by controversy-hungry media.

Our new king has still to navigate the Camilla controversy which is only made different from the Edward VIII abdication issue by changed attitudes to divorce. Edward VIII didn't have the Diana skeleton in the cupboard. Or the Grand Old Duke of York.

Clever Dick sniping now may have a certain feel-good factor but it will be counterproductive in the longer term. imo

The links I've posted above are hardly "Clever Dick sniping", they show the hidden power of an unelected head of state in our supposed democracy. We are frequently told the monarch's constitutional role is limited to accepting and signing into law the decisions of parliament. In reality this isn't the case and it appears the monarchy is very active behind the scenes, using it's influence to protect it's vast personal wealth and even to deny the protection of employment legislation to it's own staff.

The proclamation of Charles III, describes him as our "Liege lord" and that we owe him "Obedience with humble affection", both a bit odd in a so called democracy.

pete75 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 3:26pm

thirdcrank wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 2:51pm I suspect that for republicans/anti-monarchists, there's no time like the present.

The extent of the respect and affection being displayed towards the late queen are not universally extended to her children and it's still uncertain which way public opinion will move, especially when whipped up by controversy-hungry media.

Our new king has still to navigate the Camilla controversy which is only made different from the Edward VIII abdication issue by changed attitudes to divorce. Edward VIII didn't have the Diana skeleton in the cupboard. Or the Grand Old Duke of York.

Clever Dick sniping now may have a certain feel-good factor but it will be counterproductive in the longer term. imo

The links I've posted above are hardly "Clever Dick sniping", they show the hidden power of an unelected head of state in our supposed democracy. We are frequently told the monarch's constitutional role is limited to accepting and signing into law the decisions of parliament. In reality this isn't the case and it appears the monarchy is very active behind the scenes, using it's influence to protect it's vast personal wealth and even to deny the protection of employment legislation to it's own staff.

The proclamation of Charles III, describes him as our "Liege lord" and that we owe him "Obedience with humble affection", both a bit odd in a so called democracy.

he could be the only person in Britain wealthier than your good self

Charles is understood to have the following personal qualities - a short fuse, headstrong & determined, is deeply invested in those causes that mean a lot to him. He also has a somewhat messianic sense - as if he feels that if he doesn't speak up about important issue x or y, then who else in the world will? There is also the simple notion that now in his seventh decade, he may find it difficult to adopt new ways.
These qualties were as far as we can tell, completely missing from his mother's personality. It will interesting to see how this all pans out, but on the face of it, we may be in for a very different experience of monarchy from Charlie boy than we got from his rather admirable mum, who pulled off a masterful balancing act.
https://youtu.be/Z4Dhs2hCa9o

pete75 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 3:26pm

The links I've posted above are hardly "Clever Dick sniping", they show the hidden power of an unelected head of state in our supposed democracy. We are frequently told the monarch's constitutional role is limited to accepting and signing into law the decisions of parliament. In reality this isn't the case and it appears the monarchy is very active behind the scenes, using it's influence to protect it's vast personal wealth and even to deny the protection of employment legislation to it's own staff.

The proclamation of Charles III, describes him as our "Liege lord" and that we owe him "Obedience with humble affection", both a bit odd in a so called democracy.

Sorry. I move slowly these days and the fact that my post appeared immediately after yours doesn't imply that it's a response to it.

I started typing in response to simonineaston but in response to a general trend.

The point I was trying to make, unsuccessfully I fear, is that the changes some people want to see made will not happen by some natural process. Even if the points they make on a cycling forum are the result of impeccable analysis.

Pebble wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 3:55pm

pete75 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 3:26pm

thirdcrank wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 2:51pm I suspect that for republicans/anti-monarchists, there's no time like the present.

The extent of the respect and affection being displayed towards the late queen are not universally extended to her children and it's still uncertain which way public opinion will move, especially when whipped up by controversy-hungry media.

Our new king has still to navigate the Camilla controversy which is only made different from the Edward VIII abdication issue by changed attitudes to divorce. Edward VIII didn't have the Diana skeleton in the cupboard. Or the Grand Old Duke of York.

Clever Dick sniping now may have a certain feel-good factor but it will be counterproductive in the longer term. imo

The links I've posted above are hardly "Clever Dick sniping", they show the hidden power of an unelected head of state in our supposed democracy. We are frequently told the monarch's constitutional role is limited to accepting and signing into law the decisions of parliament. In reality this isn't the case and it appears the monarchy is very active behind the scenes, using it's influence to protect it's vast personal wealth and even to deny the protection of employment legislation to it's own staff.

The proclamation of Charles III, describes him as our "Liege lord" and that we owe him "Obedience with humble affection", both a bit odd in a so called democracy.

he could be the only person in Britain wealthier than your good self

Stupid comment.
It seems you have no idea of the wealth of much of our aristocracy never mind the likes of James Dyson and Alan Sugar.

thirdcrank wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 4:09pm

pete75 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 3:26pm

The links I've posted above are hardly "Clever Dick sniping", they show the hidden power of an unelected head of state in our supposed democracy. We are frequently told the monarch's constitutional role is limited to accepting and signing into law the decisions of parliament. In reality this isn't the case and it appears the monarchy is very active behind the scenes, using it's influence to protect it's vast personal wealth and even to deny the protection of employment legislation to it's own staff.

The proclamation of Charles III, describes him as our "Liege lord" and that we owe him "Obedience with humble affection", both a bit odd in a so called democracy.

Sorry. I move slowly these days and the fact that my post appeared immediately after yours doesn't imply that it's a response to it.

I started typing in response to simonineaston but in response to a general trend.

The point I was trying to make, unsuccessfully I fear, is that the changes some people want to see made will not happen by some natural process. Even if the points they make on a cycling forum are the result of impeccable analysis.

I'm under no illusions they will. Events of the last week show much of the UK population to be a bunch of forelock tugging vassals of their liege lord, and seemingly content to be so. Yekaterinburg will be a long time coming to the UK, if at all.

I'm not sure that is entirely fair

reohn2 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 8:12am TM
We're agreeing again

Oh shoot!

Are you becoming right wing or am I becoming left wing or are we meeting politically in the middle of the spectrum. Somewhere left or right of Blair/ Cameron?