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simonineaston wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 3:57pm Charles is understood to have the following personal qualities - a short fuse....

He's alredy demonstrated that (since becoming King) on several occasions - showing his annoyance at pens that don't come up to his expectations. And with so many cameras present it was maybe not the best time for him to show his irritation.

Ian

simonineaston wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 3:57pm Charles is understood to have the following personal qualities - a short fuse

You've been speaking to Camilla?

Revolutions have taken many forms. AIUI, at one point during the French Revolution, having soft hands was the passport to summary burning to death. IIRC wearing spectacles wasn't a good idea during the Cultural Revolution. Life is often unfair and rarely predictable.

Tangled Metal wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 6:45am They are not trained to handle this situation. That training should be briefing on how to decide on when offence is sufficient to arrest. They've screwed up too many times. They know it but the word hasn't gone out to the "untrained" PC plod doing the crowd control. It's not the street level fault but systematic fault within the hierarchy of the various constabularies who have been involved so far.

It seems to be policies being made on the spot by rank and file police officers. That can't be right surely?

I mean a protester gets jumped by two guys then pinned down and they arrest the protester?

The Scottish incident / arrest was justified if not for his own protection, that said there was always the option to de arrest once he'd been removed from the vicinity and the alleged Breach of the Peace had passed. The barrister with the blank piece of paper was simply spoken to which I didn't think was necessary . Have I missed any more, I've kind of turned it all off.

Regarding 'untrained PC plod' doing crowd control...Obviously they're not untrained in relation to powers of arrest, all Police undergo two years training. However you will have officers from all kinds of departments and duties suddenly being thrust into the front line at short notice in what are unprecedented times. As you adhere to, crowd control needs experience and there simply aren't enough cops experienced in coping with large crowds on a regular basis. The ones who are are all being called to the capital this weekend, this being 'mutual aid' however it probably won't be enough. Hopefully it will all pass peacefully, sometimes things need to happen for a directive to be filtered down.

Tangled Metal wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 4:26pm

reohn2 wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 8:12am TM
We're agreeing again

Oh shoot!

Are you becoming right wing or am I becoming left wing or are we meeting politically in the middle of the spectrum. Somewhere left or right of Blair/ Cameron?

I can assure you dear chap........

I'm left wing-ish.

Let us all do this survey again eh?
Why not do it as if you were Charles 2?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
Anyone fancy doing it as C2?


This is me.

I'm left of Mickf which doesnt surprise me!
Al

Economic Left/Right: -9.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13
personalised chart

Failed to copy picture, I am extreme left and very near the bottom!

Bit of a rubbish test with obviously loaded questions.

If it was an accurate test anyone who voted to leave the EU would be plum in that upper right blue zone.

If it was an accurate test anyone who voted to leave the EU would be plum in that upper right blue zone.

There ought to be an extra square labelled "completely unhinged"...

Mickf and I both voted to leave the EU and we are lower left so that blows that theory out of the water.

Al

al_yrpal wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 9:00pm Mickf and I both voted to leave the EU and we are lower left so that blows that theory out of the water.

Al

No it doesn't. He said "If it was an accurate test anyone who voted to leave the EU would be plum in that upper right blue zone."

The quadrant could be regarded as a test of self awareness as much as political persuasion.

al_yrpal wrote: 15 Sep 2022, 9:00pm Mickf and I both voted to leave the EU and we are lower left so that blows that theory out of the water.

Al

Me too!
Slap bang in the middle of the lower left. And I remember arch-Leftie Tony Benn being anti-EU membership.

'Ere. Wot about upwing and downwing? Also the other angles of wing between 'em all?

Myself, I have many preferences, habits, attitudes and raw emotions that are often completely contradictory, one to another, from one moment to the next. How do you other members hereabouts manage to stay not just in the same quadrant of that thought-prison, but in the same spot ... and only in two dimensions!?

Do you know what? I suspect you don't, you rascals. Or perhaps it depends on what got in to your eyes in the last ten minutes. Even though I try to keep my eyes from sucking in those notions fizzing with toxicity, they can sometimes creep in when, er, I'm not looking. Well, you know what I mean. And then there's yer ears. It can be harder not to listen to mad stuff being spoke than it is to look away from printed claptrap.

Once they're swirling in your overheated bonce - the toxic notions - they can do untold damage. Look what happened to Trussy when she came across that ERG. Gone completely doolally. Also, consider any university, especially the psychology department. Daft as brushes.

What will we all be thinking tomorrow? Many won't know until they read their newspap drug of choice. Newsagents - worse than heroin pushers!

Cugel