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Anyone tried Rose Bikes offering
https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/rose-pro-du ... e=Standard
The alloy cage makes them 180g lighter than the M324 according to Rose. I wonder how the elastomer inserts will last though. They have a cheaper own brand Xtreme version but the reviews aren't so good. Prices at Rose for the 324 seem to have gone crazy, IIRC I paid well under £30 4 years ago.
Edit: The Rose ones seem to be more expensive than '324 from UK suppliers now - shame.

Brucey wrote:Image01437.jpg

this shows PD-M324 with 'O' rings fitted in place of the original seals. Easy to install, works well, costs pennies.

[edit; the O rings I used were 12.7mm ID, 17.5mm OD, ~2.4mm cross section, i.e. 1/2" bore, 3/32" section]

cheers

Interesting Brucey...I still have two pairs of the original version of th PD-M324..the "black and silver" PD- M323. I bought these pedals around 1995 and after years of use the rubber seals have perished, shrunk and cracked, and don't seal at all now .. I have several pairs of the newer PD-M234s to replace them but maybe your "O" ring fix would be a way to resuscitate at least one of my old pair of PD-M323s..

NetworkMan wrote:Anyone tried Rose Bikes offering
https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/rose-pro-du ... e=Standard
The alloy cage makes them 180g lighter than the M324 according to Rose. I wonder how the elastomer inserts will last though. They have a cheaper own brand Xtreme version but the reviews aren't so good. Prices at Rose for the 324 seem to have gone crazy, IIRC I paid well under £30 4 years ago.
Edit: The Rose ones seem to be more expensive than '324 from UK suppliers now - shame.

Interesting but they are cartridge bearings.
And anything to do with "adjustable" elastomers puts me off after experiences with a suspension hub. I like to keep things simple these days.

Sweep wrote:

NetworkMan wrote:Anyone tried Rose Bikes offering
https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/rose-pro-du ... e=Standard
The alloy cage makes them 180g lighter than the M324 according to Rose. I wonder how the elastomer inserts will last though. They have a cheaper own brand Xtreme version but the reviews aren't so good. Prices at Rose for the 324 seem to have gone crazy, IIRC I paid well under £30 4 years ago.
Edit: The Rose ones seem to be more expensive than '324 from UK suppliers now - shame.

Interesting but they are cartridge bearings.
And anything to do with "adjustable" elastomers puts me off after experiences with a suspension hub. I like to keep things simple these days.

Oh ^%&^%& they are too, I read the details but missed the summary!

Sorry Sweep no link as I bought them in a bike shop in Lossiemouth (MORAY) 3yrs ago and haven't seen any since.
They're brilliant because they hang at the right angle to clip in for the recumbent trike.

Brucey wrote:TL-PD33 is definitely the correct tool for the job.

However I have heard of TL-PD33 'not fitting' once before now. IIRC what was required was to take some burrs off/re-radius the corner of the locknuts or something.

cheers

Sorry I have brought this back from the dead. I have just had to do literally that. I did both the above so the TL-PD33 goes halfway down the locknut. So I checked the forum to see if anyone else had issue ...and found this useful confirmation. Looks like its more than a one off issue...shame because the PD-M324 is a great pedal.

At a loss why Shimano cant get the nut to fit the tool..heres my fix...

zenitb wrote:

Brucey wrote:Image01437.jpg

this shows PD-M324 with 'O' rings fitted in place of the original seals. Easy to install, works well, costs pennies.

[edit; the O rings I used were 12.7mm ID, 17.5mm OD, ~2.4mm cross section, i.e. 1/2" bore, 3/32" section]

cheers

Interesting Brucey...I still have two pairs of the original version of th PD-M324..the "black and silver" PD- M323. I bought these pedals around 1995 and after years of use the rubber seals have perished, shrunk and cracked, and don't seal at all now .. I have several pairs of the newer PD-M234s to replace them but maybe your "O" ring fix would be a way to resuscitate at least one of my old pair of PD-M323s..

And now fixed and back in use - after 10 years discarded in the parts bin - great fix BTW

By the by, can anyone recommend a source of bearings for these pedals?

They need to be 3/32 as stated above.

I have managed I think to lose one when doing some exploratory work on a set - they really are a bit of a pig to fiddle with as, apart from the special tool, the balls are so small and, at least on one side, set deep deep within the body.

I had assumed that I could just order a pot of weldtite ones (i bought some 5/32s a while ago) but a quick look online seems to indicate that they don't do this tiddly size.

I know that you can get Shimano ones but the price seems steep and I am not at all convinced that they are particularly special.

Great pedals but sure are a pig to deal with - may return in a while with another pigging point referred to upthread I think.

Shimano 3/32" from SJS, £9 for 62.
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pedals-cleats/shimano-pdm324-steel-ball-bearings-332-62pcs-y41n98030/

Unknown on eBay, £2 for 45
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HIGH-VALUE-BEARING-BALLS-1-4-7-32-3-16-5-32-1-8-3-32-BAGS-OF-15-30-45/272300692640

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote:Shimano 3/32" from SJS
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pedals-cleats/shimano-pdm324-steel-ball-bearings-332-62pcs-y41n98030/

Jonathan

yes ta but see my comment about shimano above.
Rather not spend that much.
Virtually new pedals.
And I've already shelled out on the tool - grr
and even after that I may have to do some dremelling to get the locknut to fit it - more grr.

Starting to think I should just use my decent normal clipped pedals and when I want to tour in flats, just temporarily take the wondrous, and easy to service, Sylvan touring pedals off one of my bikes.

Crossed posts, I was just editing the one before.

Jonathan

Sweep wrote:

Jdsk wrote:Shimano 3/32" from SJS
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pedals-cleats/shimano-pdm324-steel-ball-bearings-332-62pcs-y41n98030/

Jonathan

yes ta but see my comment about shimano above.
Rather not spend that much.
Virtually new pedals.
And I've already shelled out on the tool - grr
and even after that I may have to do some dremelling to get the locknut to fit it - more grr.

Starting to think I should just use my decent normal clipped pedals and when I want to tour in flats, just temporarily take the wondrous, and easy to service, Sylvan touring pedals off one of my bikes.

I've used Simply Bearings successfully in the past for hubs. Some different quality bearings here (NB 100 closer tolerance than 1000)
https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p2205 ... _info.html
https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p2221 ... _info.html
https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p2247 ... _info.html
https://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p2289 ... _info.html
You pays your money and you make your choice

I agree that servicing the PD-M324 pedals is a bit of a faff. There is the issue about rounding off the sharp edges of the lock nut outlined above (i just used a file) and also seating the new inner pedal bearings is hard (I used a paintbrush with a dob of grease and a bearing on it, inserted from the other side (i.e. inserting the bearing from the outside of the pedal while watching the seating from the inside of the pedal - I have done a couple of pedals like this now and it works well). Then there is the crazy cost of the tool.

However at the end of the day these are great pedals, hugely popular for touring, and in my view there really isn't anything quite as versatile in Shimano's range. Unlike some of their other "hybrid" pedals there is a good grip on the non-SPD side with the traditional metal cage, not some slippery alloy platform. They also took the opportunity to re-engineer the pedal around the year 2001 ..taking the existing PD-M323 (which I had already bought and liked) as a basis and then thickening the axle, increasing the number of ball bearings, simplifying the cleat pressings, and making the finish more corrosion resistant, without increasing the price.


So the current PD-M324 is a highly evolved touring pedal and worth fixing in my mind. OK - Its not for the faint hearted though and for many years I just "bought another pair". I now have lots of them and am now gradually servicing the old ones and cycling them back into use.

Thanks for the encouragement zenit.
I do like the pedals.
Know what you mean about some shimano "combi" pedals having a lack of grip on the flat side.
I have another bike with one of these pedals (forget the model) very nice as well, and far simpler to service, but the flat is unusable in the rain. Fine for predictable weather round london but useless for touring.

If you like PD-A530 except for the (lack of) grip on the flat side, especially in the wet, there is a revised model PD-EH500



this has (removable) pins so you can get any amount of grip you like on the flat side.

The bearings are the familiar Shimano cartridge system , using adjustable cup and cone bearings.

cheers

Brucey wrote:If you like PD-A530 except for the (lack of) grip on the flat side, especially in the wet, there is a revised model PD-EH500

this has (removable) pins so you can get any amount of grip you like on the flat side.

The bearings are the familiar Shimano cartridge system , using adjustable cup and cone bearings.

cheers

looks good .. about 50 notes so a bit pricer but then the "pastry cutter" bearing removal tool is far cheaper than the Shimano TL tool needed for the PD-M324. So "lifecycle cost" for the new pedal is probably cheaper and there looks to be far less hassle servicing the bearings..