** The Climate Change Thread **

[Oldjohnw]

My comment above was only partly in jest.

I used to be a daily red meat eater - how I was brought up. I have reduced this over the last 15 years or so to once or twice a week. I have increased cheese consumption to make up - not nutritionally buy for pleasure.

I don't have milk except occasionally in sauces. I often use soya milk for this - which if not European has its own problems.

I find it all very difficult.

[Psamathe]

There is a potentially massive impact of Covid-19 on Climate Change.

The 2016 UK agreement based carbon emissions over time (from international flights) on the 2020 emission levels (i.e. to not exceed 2020 levels). But with so many airlines stopping flying probably for a significant part of 2020, that benchmark will be significantly lower than had things continued without Covid. So future carbon emissions will be set at lower levels than would otherwise have been the case.

Ian

[Oldjohnw]

You have to wonder if our attitude to the planet and our exploitation has been to blame. We encroach more and more on territory where wild animals live for farming and housing.

Hopefully any potential link will be identified if true and addressed. My fear is it would, as so often, be supressed.

[Jdsk]

NB date.

"In a landmark victory for climate justice that comes as the UK faces its hottest day on record, the High Court has ruled that the government’s Net Zero Strategy breaches the Climate Change Act.":
https://friendsoftheearth.uk/climate/go ... ric-ruling

Jonathan

[mattheus]

NB date.

"In a landmark victory for climate justice that comes as the UK faces its hottest day on record, the High Court has ruled that the government’s Net Zero Strategy breaches the Climate Change Act.":
https://friendsoftheearth.uk/climate/go ... ric-ruling

Jonathan

The date is 18-JUL. What am I missing??

Anyway, worthwhile post, this is significant stuff!

[Jdsk]

It was just a warning that there was a gap since the previous post to avoid any misunderstanding.

And thankyou.

Jonathan

[reohn2]

Another of the Johnson Tory goverment's porkies?

[reohn2]

I see both Badencoch an Mordaunt have both received funding from a billionaire climate denying Australian businessman:-https://youtu.be/-dCCuLrisN0

[NATURAL ANKLING]

Hi,
Will climate get better if we stop buying products of far east manufactures, will the wheels turn more slowly.

Pandemic / WW3 is more likely.
And will certainly fast forward the wishes of the activists.

[axel_knutt]

This is an interesting series, with ex-oil company employees blowing the whistle on how they systematically discredited climate science for 40 years, even though the oil companies were actually among the first to realise that fossil fuel was changing the climate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p ... 1-1-denial

[mattheus]

This is an interesting series, with ex-oil company employees blowing the whistle on how they systematically discredited climate science for 40 years, even though the oil companies were actually among the first to realise that fossil fuel was changing the climate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p ... 1-1-denial

I think watching that will just depress me!

[simonineaston]

I imagine that if we try, we can come up with a way of measuring the effect on any endevour of the accumulated funds at the disposal of those opposed to it. So for example, if a railway is planned to make its way through two local areas, one poor and the other, well to do, there ought to be some mathematical formula that tells the planners which route is more likely to succeed.
Thus I note with some despondancy the level of the profits that the fossil fuel industry have been and continue to make daily... see here

[Psamathe]

The issues around Climate Change are truly depressing. Even if politicians do ever get round to addressing the climate change issues their responses seem to narrow that it may provide a brief stop-gap but wont address the underlying problem which is our (or maybe the industrialised) relationship with our environment. So right now our politicians are limiting their response to "anything to reduce climate emissions, even if that causes environmental damage ..." and even failing to meet that.

And the drive to meet climate change targets without actually changing our behaviour nor what we currently do does not really help keep our planet suitable for us to live on e.g. biofuels (stop extracting hydrocarbons but ignore the environmental damage from biofuel production).

In addition to reducing climate change causing pollution we need to change the way we regard our environment.

Ian

[axel_knutt]

The issues around Climate Change are truly depressing. Even if politicians do ever get round to addressing the climate change issues their responses seem to narrow that it may provide a brief stop-gap but wont address the underlying problem which is our (or maybe the industrialised) relationship with our environment. So right now our politicians are limiting their response to "anything to reduce climate emissions, even if that causes environmental damage ..." and even failing to meet that.

And the drive to meet climate change targets without actually changing our behaviour nor what we currently do does not really help keep our planet suitable for us to live on e.g. biofuels (stop extracting hydrocarbons but ignore the environmental damage from biofuel production).

In addition to reducing climate change causing pollution we need to change the way we regard our environment.

Ian

It's not just about climate, it's about the overconsumption of the resources that we're dependent on. The capacity of the atmosphere to serve as a dustbin for carbon is just one of many such resources.

An analysis of how past civilisations collapsed through the overconsumption of the resources that sustained them.


An analysis of why people compete to consume more than they need in the pursuit of status.


How low status increases mortality and morbidity.


How status competition is a zero-sum game, and a potential way to escape it.

[reohn2]

There's too many human beings,we're too successful at breeding and living long lives for our's and the planet's good.