Diplomatic Immunity?

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Harry Dunn: Parents reach resolution in civil case against suspect

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-58642224

I take it this is US speak for "out of court settlement."

In other news, I see that the Foreign Secretary is climbing on the bandwagon and giving her support

Harry Dunn: Liz Truss raises case with US at United Nations Assembly
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-n ... e-58635771
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The US version is similar to the British. They usually say 'settled out of court'. My guess is that they didn't use those words because some aspect of the agreement remains open, or pending information from the UK.
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Thanks for that. I was assuming that the word resolution was in quotes in the BBC report because it had a specific meaning in the US legal system. I'll take it as a euphemism for settling out of court.
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"US citizen Anne Sacoolas is due to face criminal proceedings in the UK charged with causing Harry Dunn’s death by dangerous driving."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... gers-death

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Jdsk wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 5:57pm "US citizen Anne Sacoolas is due to face criminal proceedings in the UK charged with causing Harry Dunn’s death by dangerous driving."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... gers-death

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She won't appear in person.
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francovendee wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 6:19pm
Jdsk wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 5:57pm "US citizen Anne Sacoolas is due to face criminal proceedings in the UK charged with causing Harry Dunn’s death by dangerous driving."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... gers-death

Jonathan
She won't appear in person.
According to her lawyers, no agreement has yet been reached that she will appear at all.
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DaveReading wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 10:28pm
francovendee wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 6:19pm She won't appear in person.
According to her lawyers, no agreement has yet been reached that she will appear at all.
And even if she does she'll face no penalty other than a virtual slap on the wrist!
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My brother pointed out to me that the Anne Sacoolas and Julian Assange cases are linked.
It is a Quid Pro Quo with the americans. Anne Sacoolas gets prosecuted for a driving offence and Julian Assange gets thrown to the wolves.
Assange didn't have any friends amongst government ministers anyway but with this deal the government get some good publicity for themselves and boy do they need it. Or maybe instead of government I should have written Foreign Secretary?
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I don't think Assange should have friends in government. He's a suspect in a crime in the US and as such I'd hope he'd get no more help from any government than the law provides for. No big conspiracy it's just an allegation to be prosecuted/defended from. He's got enough money and supporters for good legal representation leave that to them not government imho.

He's polarising in that he's either a free speech hero above the law or he's an annoying **** who you really wish he'd get dragged to USA so he's their problem. Either you have no trust in legal systems or you do or you don't give a flying either way just want him and his supporters to disappear.
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If the courts decide to allow extradition is the legal system suddenly flawed because you disagree with the decision? When they give a verdict you like such as a few bloody noses to boris's government is the system not flawed?

I think you have to watch for mistakes but also need to accept that sometimes heavily observed cases like Assange 's might just be right according to the law then accept it.

As to linking cases I like the outcome if there's justice in both cases but not very right to link cases. Iran right to link that dual nationality woman's freedom with a UK government debt for example? Dangerous precedent
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DaveReading wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 10:28pm
francovendee wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 6:19pm
Jdsk wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 5:57pm "US citizen Anne Sacoolas is due to face criminal proceedings in the UK charged with causing Harry Dunn’s death by dangerous driving."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... gers-death

Jonathan
She won't appear in person.
According to her lawyers, no agreement has yet been reached that she will appear at all.
@DaveReading

Can you link to where her lawyers have said that? (I'm not doubting they've said it and I'm not surprised, but it would be interesting to know the detail of what they said.)

There have been various recent developments in the use of IT to conduct remote hearings, perhaps the most obvious being when a defendant is in prison and it saves a round trip in a prison van. Normally, courts can only hear summary prosecutions in the absence of the accused when they have no power to compel their attendance. Causing death by dangerous driving is a serious indictable offence. I had assumed that some legal wheeze had been devised to get round this, but perhaps not.
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6.5_lives_left wrote: 14 Dec 2021, 12:35am My brother pointed out to me that the Anne Sacoolas and Julian Assange cases are linked.
It is a Quid Pro Quo with the americans. Anne Sacoolas gets prosecuted for a driving offence and Julian Assange gets thrown to the wolves.
Assange didn't have any friends amongst government ministers anyway but with this deal the government get some good publicity for themselves and boy do they need it. Or maybe instead of government I should have written Foreign Secretary?
A very good point and not one that most people would connect the two cases,
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Tangled Metal wrote: 14 Dec 2021, 7:20am If the courts decide to allow extradition is the legal system suddenly flawed because you disagree with the decision? When they give a verdict you like such as a few bloody noses to boris's government is the system not flawed?
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I don't fully understand the process but I thought it was the Secretary of State who makes the final extradition order and do I trust her decision? ... NO.

But maybe I'm wrong about the process?

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Psamathe wrote: 14 Dec 2021, 11:58am
Tangled Metal wrote: 14 Dec 2021, 7:20am If the courts decide to allow extradition is the legal system suddenly flawed because you disagree with the decision? When they give a verdict you like such as a few bloody noses to boris's government is the system not flawed?
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I don't fully understand the process but I thought it was the Secretary of State who makes the final extradition order...

But maybe I'm wrong about the process?
You're not:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/extradition ... erritories

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thirdcrank wrote: 14 Dec 2021, 9:43am
DaveReading wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 10:28pm
francovendee wrote: 13 Dec 2021, 6:19pm
She won't appear in person.
According to her lawyers, no agreement has yet been reached that she will appear at all.
@DaveReading

Can you link to where her lawyers have said that? (I'm not doubting they've said it and I'm not surprised, but it would be interesting to know the detail of what they said.)
"CIA wife Anne Sacoolas may not participate in Harry Dunn hearing"

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/anne ... -hrtghh9wz
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