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Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 5 Nov 2019, 8:38pm
by DNC123
Oops. Sorry. I guessed the make. Talking from memory. I certainly bought it 30 years ago. Will have to check the make tomorrow.
Exif stage left with red face :oops: :oops: :oops:

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 5 Nov 2019, 8:42pm
by DNC123
Sod it. I've been to check.
Not Lezyne but Zefal. I knew there was a Z in it. Just guessed wrong name.
Its It's a Zefal Husky and it's bomb proof.

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 5 Nov 2019, 8:44pm
by pwa
DNC123 wrote:Sod it. I've been to check.
Not Lezyne but Zefal. I knew there was a Z in it. Just guessed wrong name.
Its It's a Zefal Husky and it's bomb proof.


Have you had to change the hose? They tend to perish eventually.

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 5 Nov 2019, 8:54pm
by DNC123
pwa wrote:
DNC123 wrote:Sod it. I've been to check.
Not Lezyne but Zefal. I knew there was a Z in it. Just guessed wrong name.
Its It's a Zefal Husky and it's bomb proof.


Have you had to change the hose? They tend to perish eventually.


Nope. Still on the same hose. I "think" it came with a dual purpose connector but I took that off PDQ and just use a push on Presta connector. Works well.

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 5 Nov 2019, 8:56pm
by Brucey
PT1029 wrote:
Still SKS for me, but not the single hole smart head which is the rare time I use the term "rubbish" - usually doesn't push the SV core in to let the air in, so it becomes 6 bar to start inflating a flat tube, and 10 bar to inflate to 4 bar.....
Generally I find smart heads eventualy get a sticky ball in and stop switching from SV to PV when you want it to. A dismantle and clean usually sorts it. I gave up at work and use separate pumps for SV and PV.


I agree that the single hole 'smart head' design is a bit crap but not for the reason you give; good track pump chucks do not push presta valves open or hold them open. What you are meant to do is to let a little air out of a presta valve just before you start pumping. This both unsticks the valve and makes sure that there is no crud, small furry animals etc in the valve mechanism. Pumping is easy after that. The smarthead will screw itself up though; bound to really.

I think there ought to be a special place in hell reserved for designers of track pump chucks. Most of them are 100% lousy; badly designed and badly executed. The amazing thing is that every year someone comes up with a new design and there appears to be no end to the new ways they find of making chucks that are lousy.

Some simple observations;

Anything with two holes side by side is liable to be crap; there is usually a see-saw valve inside which needs only the slightest excuse to jam in the wrong place and let all the air out of your tyre. Either that or a slider: Ugh.

Anything that screws onto anything else where one or more of the parts is aluminium is bound to cause trouble.

Anything where you have a single hole for presta and schrader (with no adaptor) is a stupid idea.

Anything which is entirely made of plastic should be viewed with suspicion.

Anything where you can't buy new seals is likely to be a problem, sooner or later.

The Topeak Twinhead deserves a special mention; one of the few standard track pump heads that works OK. Despite having numerous plastic parts it is saved by having good spare parts availability. Decathlon sell a replacement chuck which is based on the same idea; it is an OK replacement for the usual dross you get.

Dunlop (and others) worked out how to make a simple and reliable schrader valve chuck for tyres about a hundred years ago; a simple lever action design, with all the working parts made in brass, adjustable tension (to allow for seal wear) and a simple seal that is easily replaced . You can make a chuck with a similar layout work perfectly with presta valves too. My favourite version of the SKS Rennkompressor has a lever action schrader chuck (which is more cheaply made using plastic and zinc castings but still works OK) and a screw-on brass adaptor for presta/woods. It would suit me slightly better if it had a lever action chuck for presta with screw-on adaptors for the other valve types, but I'm quibbling really.

The lever action chuck on a Zefal HPX is another masterpiece; again good enough as it is, but could be even better if it were made in different materials. Even the lever action chuck that is built into a £1 pump from the pound shop is a better made thing than what you get with most cheap track pumps; one of my mad ideas is that next time I have a failed track pump chuck I shall adapt one of these to fit.

The utterly baffling thing is that no track pump designer thinks 'ooh that's good, I'll make it like that' when they see a lever action chuck. No, they all think 'Oh, I can do better than that' just before foisting yet another horrific turd onto an unsuspecting public.

cheers

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 5 Nov 2019, 9:05pm
by DNC123
Agreed. Always pump the valve before attaching the hose. Just a quick flick is all it needs.

Agree with everything else^^^
Too many years to remember says Brucey is spot on.

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 1:35pm
by bgnukem
I've had a fairly cheap Beto track pump for probably 20y now with no issues, which has a dual-hole lever action chuck which so far works fine. The seal is leaking on the presta valve hole now though. Is it possible to find a decent quality dual-valve replacement head or should I just buy a new track pump?

Don't want to mess about with screw-on chucks or adaptors really as I find they are a timewasting faff.

Cheers,

Ben

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 1:52pm
by Debs
Brucey wrote: What you are meant to do is to let a little air out of a presta valve just before you start pumping. This both unsticks the valve and makes sure that there is no crud, small furry animals etc in the valve mechanism. Pumping is easy after that....

cheers


Yes i've always done that too and never had a problem... until:
When i 'let a little bit of air out' of my tubeless tyres a little bit of white goo comes out too, [Oh Vicar!]

So far no problems but i'm half expecting the sealant fluid to muck up the valve in due time (?) :(

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 3:31pm
by pwa
bgnukem wrote:I've had a fairly cheap Beto track pump for probably 20y now with no issues, which has a dual-hole lever action chuck which so far works fine. The seal is leaking on the presta valve hole now though. Is it possible to find a decent quality dual-valve replacement head or should I just buy a new track pump?

Don't want to mess about with screw-on chucks or adaptors really as I find they are a timewasting faff.

Cheers,

Ben


I think these fit standard hoses and they are very robust.

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pumps/topea ... d-wo-hose/

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 3:34pm
by mjr
bgnukem wrote:I've had a fairly cheap Beto track pump for probably 20y now with no issues, which has a dual-hole lever action chuck which so far works fine. The seal is leaking on the presta valve hole now though. Is it possible to find a decent quality dual-valve replacement head or should I just buy a new track pump?

The Presta seal failed on my Beto track pump head too and no spares seemed to be available so I fitted https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pumps/sks-m ... oor-pumps/ which will do me until the pump fails and I buy an SKS!

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 3:37pm
by mjr
pwa wrote:I think these fit standard hoses and they are very robust.

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/pumps/topea ... d-wo-hose/

Comments on there suggest that it needs a lockring which is not supplied with it. The SKS heads come with lock rings and are push-to-lock unlike most which are the far worse pull-to-lock, including that one.

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 4:14pm
by Brucey
the decathlon pump chuck (in the 'twinhead' style)

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has the locking collar included and costs £5.99. It has a barb with a screw threaded lockring, which works with most styles of (thick walled rubber) hose. The main flaw with it is that some genius thought it ought to have a spring thing in it to hold presta valves open. Fortunately this is easily removed.
Not sure how you will get on finding new seals for it when they wear out though; IIRC despite similarities in appearance, topeak parts won't fit.

cheers

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 4:26pm
by bgnukem
Thanks for the suggestions chaps. I think I'll replace the chuck and resist the temptation to splash out on a shiny new track pump :D

Then again, the Lezyne pumps look very shiny! :lol:

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 4:30pm
by peetee
mjr wrote:Is Topeak just getting suggested because it's not completely awful and Half-odds stock it so more people have it?


5 years of almost daily use in a bike workshop makes it cheap and nasty? I would say not. I have only changed the valve rubbers once.

Re: Best Track Pump

Posted: 6 Nov 2019, 4:50pm
by mjr
peetee wrote:
mjr wrote:Is Topeak just getting suggested because it's not completely awful and Half-odds stock it so more people have it?


5 years of almost daily use in a bike workshop makes it cheap and nasty? I would say not. I have only changed the valve rubbers once.

That's lovely but I don't understand why you quoted my question only to ignore it.