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And you had the vaccine, Mick?

This Youtube channel may be of interest as he has done a lot about Vitamin D and Covid,
in fact he has been trying to get people to take it seriously since the start of the pandemic

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF9IOB2TExg3QIBupFtBDxg

Oldjohnw wrote:And you had the vaccine, Mick?

Oh yes indeedy!
Mrs Mick F as well.

Sorry, I fail to see the link between something that is really really important and life-threatening, and the possible benefits of Vit D supplements that isn't actively promoted.

Pandodave asks for further elucidation on autoimmune disease and vitamin D. There is very little in the way of Randomised Controlled Trials, and mostly we are talking about association which does not prove causation.
My own experience is that I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis in 2003. This grumbled on for 7 - 8 years. I got my vitamin D level checked and it was 30nmol/L. I went on to 1000 units a day 10 years ago and have no symptoms ever since. OK, so n=1, it's an anecdote. A friend with severe inflammatory bowel disease would not settle on all sorts of new therapies (which made him ill) went on to 2000 units a day and is now well. OK, n=2, it's an anecdote. Prof Rhodes from Liverpool has done work on this which can be found on line for those interested.
One of the big problems is trying to sort out whether or not the disease drops the vitamin D level or the low vitamin D predisposes to the disease.
Most doctors seem unaware of vitamin D and its role in immunity. They haven't really grasped that it's actually hormone and a significant minority of the population have deficiency. It probably accounts for the seasonality of Flu. It will be interest to see what happens to Covid rates in the next winter, although hopefully immunisation will have reduced this.
For further reading (which is not easy) try this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/

Best wishes to you all.
(Mick F will probably have a good level because he spends so much time out on his bike!!)

munroad wrote:Pandodave asks for further elucidation on autoimmune disease and vitamin D. There is very little in the way of Randomised Controlled Trials, and mostly we are talking about association which does not prove causation.
My own experience is that I was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis in 2003. This grumbled on for 7 - 8 years. I got my vitamin D level checked and it was 30nmol/L. I went on to 1000 units a day 10 years ago and have no symptoms ever since. OK, so n=1, it's an anecdote. A friend with severe inflammatory bowel disease would not settle on all sorts of new therapies (which made him ill) went on to 2000 units a day and is now well. OK, n=2, it's an anecdote. Prof Rhodes from Liverpool has done work on this which can be found on line for those interested.
One of the big problems is trying to sort out whether or not the disease drops the vitamin D level or the low vitamin D predisposes to the disease.
Most doctors seem unaware of vitamin D and its role in immunity. They haven't really grasped that it's actually hormone and a significant minority of the population have deficiency. It probably accounts for the seasonality of Flu. It will be interest to see what happens to Covid rates in the next winter, although hopefully immunisation will have reduced this.
For further reading (which is not easy) try this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/

Best wishes to you all.
(Mick F will probably have a good level because he spends so much time out on his bike!!)

Many thanks. UC is one of a number of past and present conditions which have cropped up. The immune system is a crazy beast.

Mick F wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:And you had the vaccine, Mick?

Oh yes indeedy!
Mrs Mick F as well.

Sorry, I fail to see the link between something that is really really important and life-threatening, and the possible benefits of Vit D supplements that isn't actively promoted.

The emoji was meant to suggest a slight tongue in cheek comment. At the same time, I find in interesting that something which is clearly stated but not actively promoted means that you don't consider it valid.

Oldjohnw wrote:

Mick F wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:And you had the vaccine, Mick?

Oh yes indeedy!
Mrs Mick F as well.

Sorry, I fail to see the link between something that is really really important and life-threatening, and the possible benefits of Vit D supplements that isn't actively promoted.

The emoji was meant to suggest a slight tongue in cheek comment. At the same time, I find in interesting that something which is clearly stated but not actively promoted means that you don't consider it valid.

I understood the wry statement, but not the way you put it.

You seem(ed) to be suggesting that I am a "denier" like people deny the vaccine's use of efficacy etc.
I not a Vit D denier, but very much a sceptic of it.

Clearly stated?
Other than reading about it on here, I've never seen it "clearly stated" anywhere.
Yes, there is a link on here to advice ............. but nowhere have I ever seen or heard any advice ever from any health professional I've had dealings with.

As a matter of fact, I'm on this forum telling about my very long-term asthma and my very long-term issues with high familial cholesterol and how I'm now on injections for it. I've seen many a health professional and specialist over the years - dieticians as well as receiving health advice. Not one single one in all those years has never ever mentioned Vit D.

Some years ago, we were recommended by friends to go onto glucosamine tablets. Took them every morning for some years having bought them from Healthspan. We had an account with them.
https://www.healthspan.co.uk
Then, one day, we decided to stop taking them.

Any difference?
Not one iota.

Mick F: asthma was my specialist subject. You need to read this:

https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/44/Suppl_58/P4049

nb levels are given in ng/ml. To convert to nmol/L multiply by 2.5. So 20 ng = 50 nmol.

Interesting, thanks.

My asthma started back in the mid 1980s when I had turned 30odd.
I was cycling to work back then, 17miles each way including Devon and Cornwall hills. 45mins to get to work leaving at 06:30, and 55/60mins to come home after 17:00.
Fit as a flea back then!

I would find when I got to work, that I coughed a lot. Dry and itchy, but never thought much about it.
Some years later - 1991/2 - I had a stressful job up in Glasgow when wife and family were still in Cornwall.
My asthma got worse, and at that time, I didn't know it was asthma.

I found that it was far worse at home the evening before leaving for Glasgow. One Christmas leave, I could hardly breath with the stress of the Christmas celebrations.

I reported sick and saw the PMO (Principle Medical Officer) at Clyde Submarine Base where I was billeted. He very quickly diagnosed stress and anxiety bringing on asthma, and I was sent home on "gardening leave".
Saw the docs down at Devonport and I was put on inhalers, and given an appointment with the psychiatrist. I was given a quiet job and got home every night.

The Ventolin was a complete revelation to me. I could breath deeply and strongly. Beclazone 100 for two puffs daily sorted me out and even now I'm perfectly well on it. I don't live a stressful existence any more, but if I don't take my preventer for a day or two, I can feel the need for a reliever, but I can exist without it.

I don't consider myself asthmatic to much a degree at all. 68years old and fighting fit!

Mick F wrote:[
PS:
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Why not put Vit D in bread?

Kellogg’s has doubled the vitamin D in its cereal from 25% RDA per 30g serving to 50% “to help tackle the chronic low levels of this essential vitamin in the diet of the nation”.

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/health/kell ... 51.article

Add to it fortified milk

Excellent!

Pity they don't fortify bacon and eggs, or bread and butter or pots of tea.
They are my usual breakfasts.

Can't remember the last time I had any cornflakes, and never drink milk other than a dash of it in a cup of tea.

Mick F wrote:Excellent!

Pity they don't fortify bacon and eggs, or bread and butter or pots of tea.
They are my usual breakfasts..

There is some vitamin D in egg yoke.

Well, that's ok then.
I eat seven or eight eggs a week, not including Mrs Mick F's excellent yummy quiches and cakes.

alanesq wrote: ↑20 Feb 2021, 8:52am This Youtube channel may be of interest as he has done a lot about Vitamin D and Covid,
in fact he has been trying to get people to take it seriously since the start of the pandemic

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF9IOB ... IBupFtBDxg

The channel has gone from 20k subscribers to over 2.5 million. I know jdsk doesn't appreciate his videos but perhaps part of the appeal is that this northern Doctor treats science as to be questioned, not influenced in any way by Pharmaceutical dollars. He has worked for the NHS for a lot of his professional life.

His most recent video discusses Vitamin D, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbUm5FyrHRk

munroad wrote: ↑20 Feb 2021, 10:52am Mick F: asthma was my specialist subject. You need to read this:

https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/44/Suppl_58/P4049

nb levels are given in ng/ml. To convert to nmol/L multiply by 2.5. So 20 ng = 50 nmol.

My niece spent a year in Glasgow on a training course for her medical studies. She came home with exactly the same symptoms you had. Apparently the air pollution there is shocking, not as bad as even everyone had coal fires but seemingly one of the worst offenders in the UK.