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Oldjohnw wrote:Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

£37.50 per week three meals a day TV, heating, WIFI, clothes if they need it, yet in Derby the other day they were complaining about their accommodation, the food, the money they receive was not enough and on top of this wanted English lessons.
As a pensioner I don't get £37 per week “pocket money” I can't afford it, dam it I don't even have a telly.

mercalia wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

There is still the offence of entering the UK without a passport, meant to deal with cases of those who destroy their documents to falsify their claims

https://www.cps.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/publications/Immigration-Offences-Annex.pdf
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What happens once their assylum claim is accepted? in the old womans case can they then claim Pension Credit ( I dont know)

That is part it the assylum process. Their crossing the sea is not illegal. Nor is claiming assylum. Nor is going to a country other than the first one.

yakdiver wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

£37.50 per week three meals a day TV, heating, WIFI, clothes if they need it, yet in Derby the other day they were complaining about their accommodation, the food, the money they receive was not enough and on top of this wanted English lessons.
As a pensioner I don't get £37 per week “pocket money” I can't afford it, dam it I don't even have a telly.

So give up your freedom , leave you family and be a refugee. Have you ever been in a detention centre?

mercalia wrote:There is still the offence of entering the UK without a passport, meant to deal with cases of those who destroy their documents to falsify their claims

What happens once their assylum claim is accepted? in the old womans case can they then claim Pension Credit ( I dont know)

The offence of entering without a passport is, like many such things, intended to criminalise refugees.

She cannot claim pension credit. It is not possible to claim any sort of state pension or pension credite without having worked in the UK, or having a partner who has worked in the UK. It is quite likely, that if a claim of asylum is approved, she will be eligible for other benefits. But pension, and pension credit are not among them.

Vorpal wrote:

mercalia wrote:There is still the offence of entering the UK without a passport, meant to deal with cases of those who destroy their documents to falsify their claims

What happens once their assylum claim is accepted? in the old womans case can they then claim Pension Credit ( I dont know)

The offence of entering without a passport is, like many such things, intended to criminalise refugees.

She cannot claim pension credit. It is not possible to claim any sort of state pension or pension credite without having worked in the UK, or having a partner who has worked in the UK. It is quite likely, that if a claim of asylum is approved, she will be eligible for other benefits. But pension, and pension credit are not among them.

and where is the evidence for those claims? Once approved they can get universal credit but that is for working age people only. Pension credit has nothing to do with state pension which is contribution based. Pension Credit isnt and with housing benefit is ( still )what people over the state retirement age get. The govt intends to end housing benefit altogether and incorporate it into Pension Credit. Equality laws wont allow what you are suggesting, it would be descrimination.

Oldjohnw wrote:Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

Do remember most asylum seekers eventually get approval to stay, so every day many who arrived previously will be going on to full benefits and have access to our full economy.

Whilst waiting for approval along with the £37.75 they will also get free accommodation, health care, inc free prescriptions and dentistry, plus free education for those under 17. These very generous benefits seem to continue even after their application is rejected
https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Illegal immigrants go on to work in the black market thus taking away the prospect of employment for many, so lets not pretend there is no cost to society there.

Oldjohnw wrote:

yakdiver wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

£37.50 per week three meals a day TV, heating, WIFI, clothes if they need it, yet in Derby the other day they were complaining about their accommodation, the food, the money they receive was not enough and on top of this wanted English lessons.
As a pensioner I don't get £37 per week “pocket money” I can't afford it, dam it I don't even have a telly.

So give up your freedom , leave you family and be a refugee. Have you ever been in a detention centre?

They were all in a hotel NOT a detention centre.

Duplicate post

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

The £37.75 per week is for food, not pocket money. Making stuff up about a minority is always good for strengthening prejudice.

Some divergence occurred during the recent pandemic for very obvious reasons

Oldjohnw wrote:

yakdiver wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

£37.50 per week three meals a day TV, heating, WIFI, clothes if they need it, yet in Derby the other day they were complaining about their accommodation, the food, the money they receive was not enough and on top of this wanted English lessons.
As a pensioner I don't get £37 per week “pocket money” I can't afford it, dam it I don't even have a telly.

So give up your freedom , leave you family and be a refugee. Have you ever been in a detention centre?

Many years ago I left my country, I was met at the airport and taken to my accommodation which was a small room with a single bed small wardrobe and bedside table, the walls were just brick.
The food was just about edible, I didn't like it much, but I didn't complain, why as this country had welcomed me in...........and I was grateful, Oh and I didn't get any money either.

yakdiver wrote:Just wait until France terminates the “Le Touquet deal” and the border is in Dover, that will be the time to worry.
France has not played the ace card yet fishing or migrants, they are not being very helpful as it is and we are paying them millions so stop them.

Also Boris and Priti have passes legislation so that currently we are outside the Dublin Agreement as from December 31st, and also no longer have access to the databases that list refugees and their journeys.

mercalia wrote:What do you make of this story about refugees/assylum seekers from some one who claims to have explored the matter on the ground in various situations?


The truth about the migrant crisis isn’t what you think

I’ve covered the migrant crisis for more than five years and worked on the ground in more than eight countries. I’ve visited dozens of refugee camps and illegal migrant encampments. I’ve spent hundreds of hours with refugees and migrants listening to their stories and trying to make sense of this crisis. The picture I see in the news does not reflect my experience and that of many others.

Over my time on the refugee trail, I’ve noticed that the majority of people making the journey to Europe are males between the age of 18-35. In fact I’d estimate up to 85 per cent of the migrant influx is comprised of young men. I always found it difficult to turn on the TV and see women clutching their infants and fathers weeping as they landed on the shores of Greece. Difficult because of the humanitarian empathy that wells up within us all, but also difficult because it’s not a reality I’m seeing on the ground.....

....Across the world, there are hundreds of millions who would qualify for EU asylum. The question we are all going to have to ask is how much is enough? How many people can the West really take?

Edward Crawford is a freelance photojournalist and videographer


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-truth-about-the-migrant-crisis-isn-t-what-you-think?


Its very hard to just dismiss this mans views who has probably seen more than most of us here?

There are valid reasons why there is a [reponeerance of males, but less so now, as the number of women is increasing. It varies, but some sources quote 46% as being female, and on some routes females now form the majority.

Link

Cunobelin wrote:

mercalia wrote:What do you make of this story about refugees/assylum seekers from some one who claims to have explored the matter on the ground in various situations?


The truth about the migrant crisis isn’t what you think

I’ve covered the migrant crisis for more than five years and worked on the ground in more than eight countries. I’ve visited dozens of refugee camps and illegal migrant encampments. I’ve spent hundreds of hours with refugees and migrants listening to their stories and trying to make sense of this crisis. The picture I see in the news does not reflect my experience and that of many others.

Over my time on the refugee trail, I’ve noticed that the majority of people making the journey to Europe are males between the age of 18-35. In fact I’d estimate up to 85 per cent of the migrant influx is comprised of young men. I always found it difficult to turn on the TV and see women clutching their infants and fathers weeping as they landed on the shores of Greece. Difficult because of the humanitarian empathy that wells up within us all, but also difficult because it’s not a reality I’m seeing on the ground.....

....Across the world, there are hundreds of millions who would qualify for EU asylum. The question we are all going to have to ask is how much is enough? How many people can the West really take?

Edward Crawford is a freelance photojournalist and videographer


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-truth-about-the-migrant-crisis-isn-t-what-you-think?


Its very hard to just dismiss this mans views who has probably seen more than most of us here?

There are valid reasons why there is a [reponeerance of males, but less so now, as the number of women is increasing. It varies, but some sources quote 46% as being female, and on some routes females now form the majority.

Link

well the pictures of the dinghys we see still are mainly 18+ men. I bet the 90 year old granny is really only 70

mercalia wrote:The offence of entering without a passport is, like many such things, intended to criminalise refugees.

She cannot claim pension credit. It is not possible to claim any sort of state pension or pension credite without having worked in the UK, or having a partner who has worked in the UK. It is quite likely, that if a claim of asylum is approved, she will be eligible for other benefits. But pension, and pension credit are not among them.

and where is the evidence for those claims? Once approved they can get universal credit but that is for working age people only. Pension credit has nothing to do with state pension which is contribution based. Pension Credit isnt and with housing benefit is ( still )what people over the state retirement age get. The govt intends to end housing benefit altogether and incorporate it into Pension Credit. Equality laws wont allow what you are suggesting, it would be descrimination.[/quote]
You are right about the pension credit. I had read elsewhere that refugees do not recieve it if they haven't worked in the UK. And it isn't mentioned in the documents published for refugees, intending to help them through benefits applications.

yakdiver wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants. Crossing the channel to land here and then claim asylum is not illegal. International law does not require them to seek assylum in the first country they arrive at: that is an EU convention.

Assylum seekers do not get normal benefits. They get about £30 a week and cannot work no how much they would like to. Illegal immigrants, by their nature, get nothing. As in £0.00.

Repeating falsehoods, no matter how often, does not make them true.

£37.50 per week three meals a day TV, heating, WIFI, clothes if they need it, yet in Derby the other day they were complaining about their accommodation, the food, the money they receive was not enough and on top of this wanted English lessons.
As a pensioner I don't get £37 per week “pocket money” I can't afford it, dam it I don't even have a telly.

Should stay in their own community, insulated by their inability to speak the language?

With respect, I don't think you have thought this aspect through.