Refugees/migrants

[merseymouth]

Well, On thread, I have never stated or written that Immigrants are the cause of our housing malaise, so don't state that I have!
It must surely be a fact that additional numbers of in-comes in an un-managed way will not improve the housing mess, prove me wrong?
As it is I won't be that long in being the cause of all our social ills, as I'm sure to turn my toe up before much longer, so maybe "One Out, One In" would work then??? Living beyond one's means is not good for individuals or governments, prudence & good management needed at all times. MM

[roubaixtuesday]

Well, On thread, I have never stated or written that Immigrants are the cause of our housing malaise, so don't state that I have!

Yet here you are, on a thread about refugees, talking about housing.

[al_yrpal]

Anyone who cannot understand that migration, part of population growth, exacerbates the housing crisis is with the cukoos. IMO that isnt to say we shouldnt accept migrants. Migrants often come here to escape oppression and personal danger but there must be a limit to how many we can sensibly take. A points system would be fair.

As to why people want to live in the South of England, its because in many places its a great place to live. I dont have any experience of anywhere else other than South Wales but I am sure there are nice pockets all over Britain.

Al

[Pebble]

It was one very silly and divisive comment made by pebble. It was an argument for independence based on hate of English or simply England v Scotland. There are many good reason ls for independence but hate of English is not a good one. Hate the government by all means - I do - but don't put us all in the same boat. Like the banners I saw a mile or so from here on the border saying "English keep out".

I am English and very proud to be so.
From my 40+ years experience living here there is next to zero hate of the English in Scotland, it is one of the most welcoming countries any where in the world. Sure there are a few numpties that catch the headlines and I have even had abuse myself, but it is so few and far between it is not worth bothering with.

Afforestation in Scotland? What sort of trees, where, how high above the sea?

Thankfully there is a lot of deciduous being planted, they do actually seem to be making an effort, although I doubt they will be hitting their targets this year, saplings are now in such high demand across europe they are very difficult to buy in. Not sure what is happening south of the border but was recently chatting with a tree planting gang who were travelling up from Durham, they reckon north of the border is where it is happening, no work down south. They were replanting recently felled commercial on high moorland with broad leaf saplings.
http://www.confor.org.uk/news/latest-ne ... %20targets.

That we have destroyed all our wildlife (in the UK) is probably quite close to the mark. Of course we (as in this or the two or three preceding generations) didn't do this; and the damage started to be done with Mesolithic/ Neolithic man. Countries like the Netherlands and Belgium are in no better situations.

Arguably it has been done in this past few generations, with loss of habitat and the intensification of farming being the main culprits. 1 in 4 of our bird specieces are now Red Lists (likelihood of extinction) and the criteria used for red listing in the vast majority of those species is decline since 1969
https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildl ... explained/

I hadn't seen the Scottish connection, but you're right, their wildlife is in no less a parlous state than ours. I read an article about seriously declining Scottish sea birds last year and though Scotland is in the middle of a massive afforestation project it seems this is very much economically led - it's not about biodiversity. If it wasn't SNP led they'd be complaining about it.

Sea bird declines (esp amongst smaller species) is due to huge declines in small coastal fish populations, in particular Sandeels. The two big culprits for this are thought to be changes in sea temperature likely from global warming
https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildl ... explained/
And also the mass industrial fishing of these species by the likes of Denmark for pig feed
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpre ... te-change/

I think the main driver behind the Scottish Gov for reafforestation is more about becoming carbon neutral, however one of the great spin-offs will be habitat for wildlife and it will create a great expansion in our biodiversity. And the reafforestation is not just hot air up here, it is actually happening, some great projects actually taking place in areas that I cycle in every week. I'm seeing it happen.

[Cyril Haearn]

Reafforestation is great for cycling, big wide roads are built, then not used for motors for years and years
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Proud to be English, Scotch, Welsh?
'Love my country? No, I love my wife! ' said a wise politician

[Oldjohnw]

I would see selling social housing, refusing to build more and second and third homes plus houses purchased just for AirBNB have much more to do with housing crises than migrants. Houses should be homes not mainly investments.

[al_yrpal]

I would see selling social housing, refusing to build more and second and third homes plus houses purchased just for AirBNB have much more to do with housing crises than migrants. Houses should be homes not mainly investments.

Having been a second home owner once, buying a dilapidated place no one wanted, we did it up providing quite a bit of income for the local workforce. in order to afford a place like that some people let them out, we never did. Air B and Bs are great, affordable for folk who can't afford hotels. Reading posts like the one above alerts the majority of the danger of turning our country into a grey less free socialist state like the EU seems to wants to be.

Al

[roubaixtuesday]

Reading posts like the one above alerts the majority of the danger of turning our country into a grey less free socialist state like the EU seems to wants to be.

Al

I believe the Brexit thread is the correct place for such obsessions

[Cyril Haearn]

I think it is locked. Certainly hope so

[Oldjohnw]

I would see selling social housing, refusing to build more and second and third homes plus houses purchased just for AirBNB have much more to do with housing crises than migrants. Houses should be homes not mainly investments.

Having been a second home owner once, buying a dilapidated place no one wanted, we did it up providing quite a bit of income for the local workforce. in order to afford a place like that some people let them out, we never did. Air B and Bs are great, affordable for folk who can't afford hotels. Reading posts like the one above alerts the majority of the danger of turning our country into a grey less free socialist state like the EU seems to wants to be.

Al

You never heard of local people unable to buy houses because of second home owners? Or decent residences being taken out of the housing market so that already well off people can run AirBNB? And to suggest that EI countries are less free than here! Which planet are you on?

[al_yrpal]

Reading posts like the one above alerts the majority of the danger of turning our country into a grey less free socialist state like the EU seems to wants to be.

Al

I believe the Brexit thread is the correct place for such obsessions

Yes, I must admit I am obsessed with freedom. It seems to me that as every day goes by personal freedom in Britain is slowly being chipped away. Very sad...

Al

[francovendee]

For decades British governments of all persuasions have failed miserably to provide decent affordable homes for people who cannot buy their own.
Of course any immigration, legal or otherwise, will make things worse but don't blame the immigrants, blame the government failure to provide

[roubaixtuesday]

Reading posts like the one above alerts the majority of the danger of turning our country into a grey less free socialist state like the EU seems to wants to be.

Al

I believe the Brexit thread is the correct place for such obsessions

Yes, I must admit I am obsessed with freedom. It seems to me that as every day goes by personal freedom in Britain is slowly being chipped away. Very sad...

Al

Suggestions to help your obsession:

1. Should you believe that "personal freedom" is impacted by refugees, this may be the thread for you.

2. If in the other hand, you believe it's the EU to blame, try the Brexit thread, or similar.

3. If your obsession goes beyond the EU, as you imply, then perhaps start a "Personal freedom in the UK: It ain't what it used to be" thread?

4. Go for a bike ride.

[al_yrpal]

I believe the Brexit thread is the correct place for such obsessions

Yes, I must admit I am obsessed with freedom. It seems to me that as every day goes by personal freedom in Britain is slowly being chipped away. Very sad...

Al

Suggestions to help your obsession:

1. Should you believe that "personal freedom" is impacted by refugees, this may be the thread for you.

2. If in the other hand, you believe it's the EU to blame, try the Brexit thread, or similar.

3. If your obsession goes beyond the EU, as you imply, then perhaps start a "Personal freedom in the UK: It ain't what it used to be" thread?

4. Go for a bike ride.

My suggestion to you is unfortunately limited by PC here. Use you imagination. As to the bike ride, already done it today...

Al

[roubaixtuesday]

My suggestion to you is unfortunately limited by PC here. Use you imagination.

Al

I expect your sadly limited freedom is most probably down to those grey socialist EU types, they tend to be behind all this malarkey