Refugees/migrants

[merseymouth]

So housing issues can only be solved by more and more people expecting to get heavily subsidised housing? Who is supposed to pay for it??
I live in housing that the experts would call "Substandard", no central heating amongst other so called modern amenities, but we call it home.
Long paid for, bought within a sensible budget that we knew we could afford. Most of the time it was from a single income. No flyaway holidays for yonks, less than desirable car at the door, with a daughter who never went hungry or ragged. We owe nothing, we expect nothing, so why should we have to fund the modern idea of lifestyle for others?
Only had a single child, I couldn't manage to pedal more on the back of my trike. Nor did we expect others to keep coughing up increasing amounts of dosh for our choices!
If one studies the social housing market properly one finds that money is leeched away on an uncontrolled fashion. With tenants who don't respect the upkeep of the property, always up to others to keep it habitable.
I'm not laying that at the door of the recent incomers, it has happened for ages, if I break something I have to pay to fix it, just looking around much of the housing stock in this country will show that responsibility is not practised as widely as it should be!
Why should I have to keep paying for the bad behaviour of others? MM

[roubaixtuesday]

So housing issues can only be solved by more and more people expecting to get heavily subsidised housing? Who is supposed to pay for it??
I live in housing that the experts would call "Substandard", no central heating amongst other so called modern amenities, but we call it home.
Long paid for, bought within a sensible budget that we knew we could afford. Most of the time it was from a single income. No flyaway holidays for yonks, less than desirable car at the door, with a daughter who never went hungry or ragged. We owe nothing, we expect nothing, so why should we have to fund the modern idea of lifestyle for others?
Only had a single child, I couldn't manage to pedal more on the back of my trike. Nor did we expect others to keep coughing up increasing amounts of dosh for our choices!
If one studies the social housing market properly one finds that money is leeched away on an uncontrolled fashion. With tenants who don't respect the upkeep of the property, always up to others to keep it habitable.
I'm not laying that at the door of the recent incomers, it has happened for ages, if I break something I have to pay to fix it, just looking around much of the housing stock in this country will show that responsibility is not practised as widely as it should be!
Why should I have to keep paying for the bad behaviour of others? MM

If you believe this is caused by refugees, please state why.

If you do not believe this is caused by refugees, please post on a different, relevant thread.

[merseymouth]

Wow, It must very difficult for you Ruby, having to share this forum with inadequates who don't kowtow in your presence!
You did of course fail to see that I never laid all of these housing problems at the door of immigrants, please concentrate .
But we'll never get a grip on the issue if the size of the problem keeps on being hit by moving the goal posts. Sisyphus nothing, more a case of his being tripped up as he struggles in hi task?
Please cut a bit of slack for us who fail to reach your overly high standards. MM

[al_yrpal]

My suggestion to you is unfortunately limited by PC here. Use you imagination.

Al

I expect your sadly limited freedom is most probably down to those grey socialist EU types, they tend to be behind all this malarkey

Sadly freedom to express yourself is progressively being eroded. Hopefully at some point folk will wake up to it and the pendulum will swing back.

"Grey socialist EU types" You said it!

Al

[roubaixtuesday]

Wow, It must very difficult for you Ruby, having to share this forum with inadequates who don't kowtow in your presence!
You did of course fail to see that I never laid all of these housing problems at the door of immigrants, please concentrate .
But we'll never get a grip on the issue if the size of the problem keeps on being hit by moving the goal posts. Sisyphus nothing, more a case of his being tripped up as he struggles in hi task?
Please cut a bit of slack for us who fail to reach your overly high standards. MM

merseymouth,

So far here, you've accused me of insulting you, which I did not, you've continuously raised the subject of housing whilst claiming you're not saying they're caused by refugees and now you bring a whole list of what seem to be entirely unrelated other complaints about life to a thread about refugees.

I don't think asking you politely to stay on topic is too onerous, do you? I vaguely recall there's a rant thread somewhere if you feel a need to vent.

Otherwise, you, doubtless unintentionally, come across as wanting to lay all of society's ills at the door of a small number of desperate people.

[roubaixtuesday]

Sadly freedom to express yourself is progressively being eroded. Hopefully at some point folk will wake up to it and the pendulum will swing back.


Al

And then you can insult me to your heart's content.

Imagine the joy!!

[simonineaston]

The issue of refugees & immigration is surely a far more suitable place to "come to blows" than, say braking performance or telly licensing?!
The UK is a special place, made up of immigrants, over the centuries, who once aboard, like to pull up the drawbridge and stoutly declare, "No more!" Immigration is the scapegoat we've all used recently to turn our back on our nearest neighbours and say, "We don't need you - and furthermore, it's all your fault!"
We like to cock a snook at the rest of the world, telling all who'll listen that we are the model of modern democracy and that to be born British is to have won first prize in the lottery of life, but as for the poor folk whose country is treating them, one way or another, so badly that they feel they have to leave (Has that ghastly notion ever occured to any of us?), we simply turn our backs on them all and say, "Go somewhere else - we don't want you!".
Or am I wrong?

[Cyril Haearn]

Sadly freedom to express yourself is progressively being eroded. Hopefully at some point folk will wake up to it and the pendulum will swing back.


Al

And then you can insult me to your heart's content.

Imagine the joy!!

'He who has many enemies, has many friends'
Anon

[roubaixtuesday]

'He who has many enemies, has many friends'
Anon

Ha!

We can only hope that applies to the poor unfortunates attempting channel crossings.

[francovendee]

So housing issues can only be solved by more and more people expecting to get heavily subsidised housing? Who is supposed to pay for it??
I live in housing that the experts would call "Substandard", no central heating amongst other so called modern amenities, but we call it home.
Long paid for, bought within a sensible budget that we knew we could afford. Most of the time it was from a single income. No flyaway holidays for yonks, less than desirable car at the door, with a daughter who never went hungry or ragged. We owe nothing, we expect nothing, so why should we have to fund the modern idea of lifestyle for others?
Only had a single child, I couldn't manage to pedal more on the back of my trike. Nor did we expect others to keep coughing up increasing amounts of dosh for our choices!
If one studies the social housing market properly one finds that money is leeched away on an uncontrolled fashion. With tenants who don't respect the upkeep of the property, always up to others to keep it habitable.
I'm not laying that at the door of the recent incomers, it has happened for ages, if I break something I have to pay to fix it, just looking around much of the housing stock in this country will show that responsibility is not practised as widely as it should be!
Why should I have to keep paying for the bad behaviour of others? MM

My background bringing up a family wasn't far different from yours, brought up a family, mostly on a single income. Bought a house that we lived in for many years and didn't constantly 'improve' the place. Always ran old cars that I repaired, etc.
I'm not trying to say my cardboard box life style was harder than yours but ask yourself one question: Could you do it today? Taking into consideration minimum wages, lack of permanent jobs and very high house prices. I know I wouldn't have been able to.
I think there is a need for subsidised housing but the subsidy should reflect the income of the occupant. At some point the tenant would be paying the market rate if there income rose to the average pay.

[simonineaston]

al_yrpal wrote:
Sadly freedom to express yourself is progressively being eroded. Hopefully at some point folk will wake up to it and the pendulum will swing back.

Are you crazy? You can say what the heck you like online - true or untrue, polite or impolite, logical or bonkers, positive or negative, helpful or damning, pointless or inciteful - and potentially reach an audience of - literally - millions, with a single click!! The problem is the reverse. With so many irrelavent fantasists, of which I'm an excellent example, banging earnestly away on their keyboards, in the mistaken imagining that they amount to something and that their opinion counts, it's become impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. No prob.s with expressing ourselves, though!

[al_yrpal]

According to many migrants France, Holland and Germany arent a welcoming places where migrants, particularly migrants of colour are heavily discriminated against which makes Britain a friendlier option. Apparently thats why so many cant wait to get here in spite of the danger and the fact we have left the EU. How do grey socialist EU types explain that?

Al

[al_yrpal]

al_yrpal wrote:
Sadly freedom to express yourself is progressively being eroded. Hopefully at some point folk will wake up to it and the pendulum will swing back.

Are you crazy? You can say what the heck you like online - true or untrue, polite or impolite, logical or bonkers, positive or negative, helpful or damning, pointless or inciteful - and potentially reach an audience of - literally - millions, with a single click!! The problem is the reverse. With so many irrelavent fantasists, of which I'm an excellent example, banging earnestly away on their keyboards, in the mistaken imagining that they amount to something and that their opinion counts, it's become impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. No prob.s with expressing ourselves, though!

Simon, apparently you havent watched any of the Louis Theroux programmes on the various US whackos standing on street corners saying exactly what they want to. If you did that here you would end up in jail. I am not crazy, perhaps just more more observant.

Al

[roubaixtuesday]

According to many migrants France, Holland and Germany arent a welcoming places where migrants, particularly migrants of colour are heavily discriminated against which makes Britain a friendlier option. Apparently thats why so many cant wait to get here in spite of the danger and the fact we have left the EU. How do grey socialist EU types explain that?

Al

Al, please try to make a point without casting insults around. Thank you.

[roubaixtuesday]

For those claiming refugees prefer Britain for various reasons.

It seems very hard to find any actual information on this. It's almost as though people don't care about refugees' views, which seems so hard to believe.

Anyway, this is all I can find.

In Europe, Germany is #1, then GB, then France, though all have similar popularity.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/ ... o-move-to/

Al might be interested in By contrast, the UK lost some of its allure during the lead-up to the Brexit vote, with 35 million potential migrants naming it as their desired destination between 2013 and 2016, down from 43 million between 2010 and 2012.

If anyone has other sources, I'd be interested