One for all bike.

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Re: One for all bike.

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I had one bike a Rivendell Atlantis, but had two sets of wheels (go fast & tour), and 3 sets of tyres.
(road, tour, nokian winter)

Best place to store spare wheels ?, on a bike. :)

So I now have two bikes.
Another thread is how many kinds of bags/racks do you have for each bike.
The daily bag, the additional bag for winter riding, tour set.
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ImageIMG_1059 by mark tilley, on Flickr

Here's Olive, my Ridgeback World Panorama Deluxe. my do it all bike. Replaces a Pearson Dayrider / audax bike, and a full sus MTB (Rocky Mountain Slayer), haven't used any thing else since buying this 4 years ago. Did ponder a 'bent, but thought better of it, as then I'd have to choose which bike to ride. :roll: Its my commute/day ride/audax/tour/ruff stuff/hostelling/shopping etc.....you know, like the old days, when you only had one bike.Suits me well, this one, it does.
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I only have one I can ride at the moment - my ICE Sprint

Still haven't really thought about getting round to selling some of them though.
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yostumpy wrote:ImageIMG_1059 by mark tilley, on Flickr

Here's Olive, my Ridgeback World Panorama Deluxe. my do it all bike. Replaces a Pearson Dayrider / audax bike, and a full sus MTB (Rocky Mountain Slayer), haven't used any thing else since buying this 4 years ago. Did ponder a 'bent, but thought better of it, as then I'd have to choose which bike to ride. :roll: Its my commute/day ride/audax/tour/ruff stuff/hostelling/shopping etc.....you know, like the old days, when you only had one bike.Suits me well, this one, it does.


Very nice bike.
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Shoogle wrote:It's a Tubus Logo (29er) at the back and a Tubus Tara (Big Apple) at the front.

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Re: One for all bike.

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scottg wrote:I had one bike a Rivendell Atlantis, but had two sets of wheels (go fast & tour), and 3 sets of tyres.
(road, tour, nokian winter)

Best place to store spare wheels ?, on a bike. :)

I've also tried the one bike/two wheelset option, I found it a right faff, if you're using different wheels and tyres you probably want different gear ratios to go with them and the chain that's been running smooth on one cassette won't play nicely on another. So what started as a quick wheel swap, turns into changing the chain and readjusting the gears as well.
It quite quickly led to a second bike...
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PH wrote:
scottg wrote:I had one bike a Rivendell Atlantis, but had two sets of wheels (go fast & tour), and 3 sets of tyres.
(road, tour, nokian winter)

Best place to store spare wheels ?, on a bike. :)

I've also tried the one bike/two wheelset option, I found it a right faff, if you're using different wheels and tyres you probably want different gear ratios to go with them and the chain that's been running smooth on one cassette won't play nicely on another. So what started as a quick wheel swap, turns into changing the chain and readjusting the gears as well.
It quite quickly led to a second bike...


I do it only several times a year on holiday not to much of an issue but then I don't tend to use the off road wheels much. It's 9 spd which is possibly more forgiving than 10 or 11 spd.

Cheers James
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I have one bike I simply couldn’t part with and that is my Denis Field MTB because I designed its frame and Denis never built another off-road bike. I guess I could use it for anything but I prefer drops and the top tube is too long and low for that and the brakes would be simply dreadful with drop levers.
So it would have to be the 753 touring frame which is currently pretending to be a lightweight off-road bike..... although my Raleigh cyclocross frame would be just as happy as a jack of all trades. Hmmmmm... decisions, decisions.
If I were to design a do it all bike now it would be something like this:
853 tubing
700c
Full set of braze ons for racks, guards and water bottles.
Cable disc brakes with old-school Shimano 2mm brake cables.
8x3 gearing
Drop bars
Some kind of simple, on-the-fly stem height and reach adjustment.
Space for 38mm tyres with guards.
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A CX type of thing does work well for most things for me
My Ti one is my best road bike. It does need P clips for winter guards but there is no paint to scratch.
My Steel one makes a great commuter. Properly mounted guards live on that. Doubles as my full load tourer.
My carbon one makes a great woods/gravel bike. 35mm tyre max is regarded as small nowadays but I see no problem. Clip on rear guard only.
My alloy one jumps around standing in for all of the other depending on needs. SKS guards go on quickly off the other bikes as needed.
All on disc brakes.
None of them are a direct replacement for the carbon road bike, the TT bike, the pre war fixed, the 1983 Raleigh road bike, the hard tail MTB, the 2 folders, the trikes or the Moulton or the pub bikes.
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Re: One for all bike.

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Note that on my two wheel set bike, the wheels had their own cassette and chain,
the touring chain being longer than the road chain. 12-32 tour, 12-23 road cassettes.
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Not that I would restrict myself to one bike, but if I had to then it's the Specialized Globe conversion I did a few years back, alu triangle and c/stays, carbon seat stays/forks/post, great handling, room for 700x55mm and easily 42mm with guards. the rack mounts on the carbon forks take 15kg loads without issue, 30kg on the rear mounts if need be.
currently 10x3 with 24x28 bottom but have other wider range cassettes for full loaded with hills.

Off road, touring, fast blasts, commuting/utility, audax, it does absolutely everything well, I bought a similar full carbon sirrus that has all the rack/guard mounts but doesn't quite have the tyre width capacity, if I ever needed to I would replicate the geo/tyre spacing in Ti which would cost a wedge and a bit but for now I don't.
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Re: One for all bike.

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PH wrote:
scottg wrote:I had one bike a Rivendell Atlantis, but had two sets of wheels (go fast & tour), and 3 sets of tyres.
(road, tour, nokian winter)

Best place to store spare wheels ?, on a bike. :)

I've also tried the one bike/two wheelset option, I found it a right faff, if you're using different wheels and tyres you probably want different gear ratios to go with them and the chain that's been running smooth on one cassette won't play nicely on another. So what started as a quick wheel swap, turns into changing the chain and readjusting the gears as well.
It quite quickly led to a second bike...


One may change wheels on a bike that can accommodate different tyre widths but do so without necessarily having to make extensive changes to the gearing to obtain different ratios. On the summer bike I've used two arrangements:

50/34 CW with 14-36 cassette
50/34 CW with 14-36 cassette


5239/30 CW with 15-30 cassette
5239/30 CW with 15-30 cassette


The first arrangement with a double chainwheel could have a pair of light & tight HED Ardennes swapped in that had a 12-27 cassette mounted instead of the 14-36. This made it good for fast & fairly flat, even going out with the local chain gang until I got dropped. Mostly the 14-36 cassette with the beefier wheels you see in the pic were used for the usual rides, taking in the many steeps of Dales, Lakes and Bowland Fells.

The second arrangement was installed in anticipation of the move to West Wales, where there is no flat road and lots of the black arrowed ones instead. It could have the 14-36 cassette with a longer-arm rear mech but I decided to man-up and have a bottom gear of 30/30 rather than 34/36. :-) It too could have the 12-27 HED Ardennes wheels swapped in but there's no chain gang here. 52/15 is a high enough top gear for me, as gravity usually propels me to the over-30mph velocities.

All gearing combinations (assuming there's a technical match - mine are all Shimano 10 speed compatible) will work together if you don't use over-worn parts. Personally I clean chains regularly and swap them in time to avoid significant sprocket or chain ring wear. The grind-it-do-death approach seems wasteful, in the long run.

That Specialized Tricross pictured in a previous post has a 46/36/26 chainwheel. It's different wheels have cassettes of 12-27 or 12-34: a close-ratio cassette and a crawl-up-hills cassette. The gear change mechs and chain work with both.

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Re: One for all bike.

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There is enough capacity in long arm rear mechs to cope with two alternative cassette ratios (providing they are not too extreme) if careful attention to chain length is followed. Some (easily memorised) adjustment to the B screw may be necessary to get quick accurate shifting, but that’s all. For near on 30 years now I have run a 24-36-46 crankset and 12-28 cassette with a short arm rear mech with no problem whatsoever so a long arm could easily take up the slack of changing from, say, a 25 tooth top on one wheel to a 34 tooth on another.
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Re: One for all bike.

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rmurphy195 wrote:I use my tourer as a "One for all" bike (at least for me as a non-competitive cyclist)

EXCEPT it doesn't fold to go in the car on hols etc., sometimes it takes up too much room and I don't want the hassle of racks etc. - hence the folder. Which would be a one-for-all bike except I enjoy riding the tourer so much. But then I find the tourer difficult on local trains and can't quite fit it under tables in central Birmingham cafes!

So I guess I'm 2-4-all until I can't manage the tourer any more!

More or less the same here - except that I use the tourer very much as a utility bike too and I shop and run errands on it where I'm carrying some sort of load. I don't have a car but I suspect that if I did, the folder would get more use.

For most of my cycling life I have only had one bike (and I've never had a car). In my earlier years, it was a drop-bar derailleur geared bike kitted out as a touring bike (mudguards, luggage rack and a decent low gear on the freewheel). After a hiatus, I returned to cycling in the 90s with a cheap Dawes mtb (26" no suspension). I replaced the tyres with Marathons and put some mudguards and a luggage rack on it (so kitted out like a touring bike again but with flat bars). That bike always had problems that I didn't have the means to get to the bottom of (I suspected possible issues with frame alignment and a badly faced head tube). After yet another hiatus, I replaced the mtb with a "proper" touring bike - a Jamis Aurora (that has since undergone a few changes from its original specification). Only recently (a few years) have I had two bikes, the second bike being a folder which has been taken on public transport and in the back of a car.

I don't feel the need to run different width tyres or different gear ratios to what I have on my tourer. There was a time when I cycled a towpath that got a bit hairy in places due to mud and bumps and I did flirt with the idea of a mountain bike but I could never justify it without having more money, storage space and opportunity.
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I have 2 bikes in regular use.
1 Grasshopper used for virtually every, touring commuting, audax
except
2. Dahon Espresso, the Pub bike and used when I ride with a friend who is rather slow.
and yes I could managed with just the Grasshopper but its nice to have Choice.

The rest of the fleet are either Wall decorations, stored elsewhere, requisitioned by Son or are a pile of bits which could probably make a bike but not sure because it has been left too long and bits have probably been robbed to keep other bikes going
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