Cycling UK statement on Covid19

User avatar
Syd
Posts: 484
Joined: 23 Sep 2018, 2:27pm

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby Syd » 27 May 2020, 7:36pm

mjr wrote:
farnorth wrote:There's research 'out there' that suggests a fore and aft distance of more like 20 m is appropriate.

No, there's a newspaper interview about unpublished research in progress which has itself been rereported in English, often with mistakes. While bike haters like to push that extreme upper limit, the highest credible I've seen yet is the 5m advice on Belgian TV or the similar triathlon non-drafting rule of 7m behind the front of the bike in front.

British Triathlon drafting rules vary by length of event.

Sprint and standard distance = 10m behind the front of the bike in front.
Middle and Long distance = 12m behind the front of the bike in front.

User avatar
mjr
Posts: 15676
Joined: 20 Jun 2011, 7:06pm
Location: Norfolk or Somerset, mostly
Contact:

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby mjr » 27 May 2020, 9:56pm

Syd wrote:
mjr wrote:[...] the 5m advice on Belgian TV or the similar triathlon non-drafting rule of 7m behind the front of the bike in front.

British Triathlon drafting rules vary by length of event.

Sprint and standard distance = 10m behind the front of the bike in front.
Middle and Long distance = 12m behind the front of the bike in front.

Yes, it seems triathlon has mostly gone to 10m since the version I was looking at.

Still, now the motorists are back in great numbers, it's deterring enough cyclists that you rarely need to be that close :-(
MJR, mostly pedalling 3-speed roadsters. KL+West Norfolk BUG incl social easy rides http://www.klwnbug.co.uk
All the above is CC-By-SA and no other implied copyright license to Cycle magazine.

User avatar
mjr
Posts: 15676
Joined: 20 Jun 2011, 7:06pm
Location: Norfolk or Somerset, mostly
Contact:

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby mjr » 29 May 2020, 5:44pm

Cycling UK update posted today: https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/how-m ... g-lockdown

Still no target date to restart events, so nothing volunteers can plan around. A couple of local groups are now discussing restarting on their own timetables. One seems to be planning to follow BC instead - I don't know if they will change their affiliation in due course. CUK seem MIA. :(
MJR, mostly pedalling 3-speed roadsters. KL+West Norfolk BUG incl social easy rides http://www.klwnbug.co.uk
All the above is CC-By-SA and no other implied copyright license to Cycle magazine.

User avatar
mjr
Posts: 15676
Joined: 20 Jun 2011, 7:06pm
Location: Norfolk or Somerset, mostly
Contact:

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby mjr » 1 Jun 2020, 6:48pm

Update posted today: https://www.cyclinguk.org/news/coronavi ... e-guidance

CUK now advise that well-spaced small group rides can restart. I feel this was just rubber-stamping what some CUK groups had already announced to supporters they're going to do anyway, but it's probably good that they have rather than have a farce if there was any organisers' insurance claim.
MJR, mostly pedalling 3-speed roadsters. KL+West Norfolk BUG incl social easy rides http://www.klwnbug.co.uk
All the above is CC-By-SA and no other implied copyright license to Cycle magazine.

User avatar
TrevA
Posts: 2436
Joined: 1 Jun 2007, 9:12pm
Location: Nottingham

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby TrevA » 5 Jun 2020, 7:20pm

CUK and BC guidelines on group rides are now slightly at odds. CUK are saying group rides of up to 6 are now OK. BC are being far more cautious and recommending that you can only have a group ride of up to 6 in a traffic free environment, the need to social distance in a group means the space requirements are too great for riding on the road.

If we only have to stay 2 metres apart, then most group rides are like that anyway. The rider in front’s back wheel and your front wheel probably take up over a metre, meaning you only have to leave a 3 feet gap to the bike in front. Side by side is more difficult, but still possible. A lot of people seem to think that you should be leaving a 2m gap between bikes.
A cart horse trapped in the body of a man.
http://www.jogler2009.blogspot.com

User avatar
mjr
Posts: 15676
Joined: 20 Jun 2011, 7:06pm
Location: Norfolk or Somerset, mostly
Contact:

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby mjr » 5 Jun 2020, 8:25pm

TrevA wrote:BC are being far more cautious and recommending that you can only have a group ride of up to 6 in a traffic free environment, the need to social distance in a group means the space requirements are too great for riding on the road.

Someone should remind BC that cyclists are valid traffic too! ;)

.75m edge gap + .5m half a dynamic envelope + 2m gap + 1m dynamic envelope = 4.25m, so side by side only fits on wide single carriageways or where there's more than .5m edge strip, so you'd have to single out more and probably be ready for overtaking cars slotting in mid-group, but that's OK, isn't it?
MJR, mostly pedalling 3-speed roadsters. KL+West Norfolk BUG incl social easy rides http://www.klwnbug.co.uk
All the above is CC-By-SA and no other implied copyright license to Cycle magazine.

Paul Fenton
Posts: 3
Joined: 19 Jun 2020, 3:07pm

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby Paul Fenton » 29 Jun 2020, 7:34pm

Question: Is a CUK group's Indemnity Insurance invalidated if a CUK member of that group attends a group meeting at the appointed destination travelling independently by cycle, i.e. he/she joins the gathering of a club ride at say a coffee stop having made their own way there and home independently? Assume that any group gathering shall not exceed 6 in number.

User avatar
mjr
Posts: 15676
Joined: 20 Jun 2011, 7:06pm
Location: Norfolk or Somerset, mostly
Contact:

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby mjr » 29 Jun 2020, 8:42pm

Paul Fenton wrote:Question: Is a CUK group's Indemnity Insurance invalidated if a CUK member of that group attends a group meeting at the appointed destination travelling independently by cycle, i.e. he/she joins the gathering of a club ride at say a coffee stop having made their own way there and home independently? Assume that any group gathering shall not exceed 6 in number.

The above link says "group cover provided under the Organiser’s Liability insurance could potentially be invalid if a club or affiliated group decides to go against the advice issued by Cycling UK" - As long as there's still at most 6 of you, what CUK advice would it be against?

If you can't find anything either, then I think it wouldn't affected the Organiser’s Liability insurance. Is that what you meant by "group's Indemnity Insurance"?
MJR, mostly pedalling 3-speed roadsters. KL+West Norfolk BUG incl social easy rides http://www.klwnbug.co.uk
All the above is CC-By-SA and no other implied copyright license to Cycle magazine.

Paul Fenton
Posts: 3
Joined: 19 Jun 2020, 3:07pm

Re: Cycling UK statement on Covid19

Postby Paul Fenton » 30 Jun 2020, 7:28pm

Thanks. Yes I was asking about the groups, i.e. 'organisers' indemnity insurance. I guess the issue centres on whether the indemnity covers all aspects of an 'event' - in this scenario a club ride, both on the road and off, i.e. at a cafe. A consideration might be that an additional member arriving part of the way into a fully subscribed (6 persons) club ride, would, from the position of someone already on the ride, be another person he/she has contact with, making the risk of infection to one and all 1 in 7 or more rather than 1 in 6. Is that to be taken as a breach of CUK Covid 19 guidance? If it doesn't specifically say so then it isn't?