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Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 3:05pm
by fastpedaller
I went out today for a pedal and didn't notice any traffic reduction. Did some bulk buying on my way home from the next village where the lady makes preserves - 1 jar of jam and a jar of marmalade :lol: . The wind was a persistent cold Easterly, and at times I was having trouble on my 63" single freewheel keeping above 10mph! get the miles in just in case we are banned :roll:

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 3:10pm
by The utility cyclist
thatsnotmyname wrote:If temperature was so critical, then nobody in Saudi (for example - other hot countries are available) would be getting the virus via community transmission. You really do need to lay off the conspiracy websites...

I did not say that you cannot get x virus/infection at x temperature.

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 3:16pm
by PH
I shall continue doing as advised or instructed, even when I think that’s unnecessary. Simply because if I consider it okay for me to do so, I must accept it’s okay for everyone.

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 3:41pm
by thatsnotmyname
The utility cyclist wrote:Oh please, you need to get a basic understanding of what I and others have said. I did not say that you cannot get x virus/infection at x temperature, jesus wept, lay off the anti thinking/reading pills!


Alternatively, try to be clearer to avoid being misinterpreted. But to be fair, you do have a bit of a penchant for tinfoil...

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 3:47pm
by mjr
Psamathe wrote:
mjr wrote:...Reports from France are conflicted. There's at least one Facebook post about cycling being banned which I'm 90% sure is a hoax.

What powers do regional/local authorities have in France e.g. could a local Mayor decide to ban cycling in his/her commune? When I lived there I was surprised about how much power the mayors have, but I've no idea about imposing constraints on e.g. cycling.

(Comment being: is it possible reports are all true but for different localities?)

I suspect communes could ban cycling, but the fakebook posts I saw all used the same wording and in some it's attributed to a particular gendarmerie but it doesn't appear on that gendarmerie's fakebook or website, so that one doesn't match your hypothesis.

I suspect given time I could find the full regs or decree on legifrance or the Elysée website, but how about we just keep asking the people claiming there's a ban to show us the regs!

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 3:53pm
by mjr

Only recreational cycling is banned (only restricted in France) and even that's for bogus reasons about not filling hospitals with crashed cyclists. If they wanted to reduce the numbers of road crash victims in hospitals, they'd be banning motoring for short essential journeys and requiring cycling!

With that level of ignoring public health evidence, it's no wonder they're struggling to combat the pandemic.

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 4:01pm
by francovendee
We are limiting our cycling but going out every day. In more normal times we do 90% of our shopping by bike but today we ordered on line for store collection. This worked very well and we'll do it again. The idea was to limit the time in the store and it achieved this.
One other customer collecting before us and one behind, all keeping at least 6 metres apart.
We're going to take a trip to Lidl next, by bike. Unless Macron tightens the rules as ICU doctors are requesting.

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 4:06pm
by mjr
francovendee wrote:We are limiting our cycling but going out every day. In more normal times we do 90% of our shopping by bike but today we ordered on line for store collection. This worked very well and we'll do it again. The idea was to limit the time in the store and it achieved this.

I intended to try this but UK supermarket websites were crashing. I decided to back off and allow others in more need to use the website. I did the self scan in store so I was in there less time and especially less time queued at the checkout because they have not yet put 2m floor markings down.

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 4:40pm
by Mick F
Are they banning walking to the shops?
Are they banning going for a leisure walk?
Are they banning walking the dog?

Why on earth would they ban cycling?

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 5:22pm
by mjr
Mick F wrote:Are they banning walking to the shops?
Are they banning going for a leisure walk?
Are they banning walking the dog?

Why on earth would they ban cycling?

See page one. Ignoring the evidence, basically. A national 40mph limit off of motorways and trunks would do more to reduce hopital use.

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 5:29pm
by mattsccm
Sorry to be smug, but until they ban it for going to work in a school supplying child care, I shall be riding daily.
I doubt there will be a radius ban. many of us don't even have a street light within a couple of miles let alone a shop.
I don't think its is helpful for any of us to get too worked up. Most of this is the unknown and what is obvious to one party may not be to another and basically no one really knows what works. I fail to see how me riding through the woods by myself is a problem but we can't have one rule for some and not for others.
I do wonder about the special hours for the elderly etc. Waitrose today at 8am was rammed with all the vulnerable chatting happily at close range. As my 85 year old dad said. They would be able to hear if they were to far apart.

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 6:34pm
by Mick F
Good post. ^^^^^
Thanks.

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 8:33pm
by wjhall
So far we seem to have a North-South split in Europe, with the UK, Belgium and Germany encouraging recreational cycling during the restrictions, and the Mediterranean states banning it, although in principle they allow cycling to the shops, and the range of shops open in France is fairly large, in fact at first glance it is difficult to decide what shops may not open, probably clothes shops. (1). Apparently the minister is dithering about bookshops, which are currently on the banned list.

The French decision to ban recreational cycling was a change of original policy. (3) If there is any basis for this it is that recreational cycling in France is often a group activity. Here it is quite rare to see a chain gang.

Does look rather like a lack of moral fibre in the Latin races, and perhaps a lack of real democratic tradition, the last military coup in France was probably about 1960, although we need to watch Germany, which seems to be weakening, at least in the south. Helping to stiffen German backbones is probably the most useful thing now.

The French approach is comic, basically encouraging the police in their traditional recreation of stirring up the council estates by asking young men for their papers, by creating self certification paperwork that they can ask the respectable middle classes to produce. I suppose this could have some social calming effects by diverting the police away from stirring up council estates, but the council estates appear to be continuing their traditional recreation of setting fire to cars and then stoning the police and fire brigade, so the police might just as well have gone on stirring them up.

Interestingly, justifying its status as a national institution, the BBC has just stated that the Imperial College modelling is exaggerated, because it does not separate coronavirus predictions from the 500,000 who would have died anyway, and that the government conceded this at the Thursday press conference. (2) The modelling also underestimated NHS capacity. The BBC points out that we need to consider carefully the effect of the economic and social restrictions, which themselves put lives at risk. At the moment we are damaging the economy to create the illusion that we are saving Great Aunt Flo, who was probably going to die anyway, not necessarily of coronavirus, even if the virus is subsequently detected in her body. It seems possible that the supposed loss of a generation in Italy is merely the normal death rate of a generation that would have died now anyway. Any difficulties arise from foolish actions like banning funerals.

The real risk is popular pressure for something to be done pushing the government into taking the 'This is something, lets do it approach'.

What was interesting, but will be familiar to those who rise early to go to work and catch the regular Radio 3 bulletins, was that the title of the BBC article changed about eight in the morning. It was originally something like 'are the government figures overegged'. However the text did not change, so it has obviously been reviewed and they are sticking with it.

(1) (1) https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTe ... rieLien=id
(2) 'Coronavirus deaths: What we don't know' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654
(3) https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/ar ... 55770.html

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 21 Mar 2020, 10:03pm
by gregoryoftours
I wouldn't be at all surprised, I'm dreading the prospect. I'll probably take up running if it happens. I'll be like a duck out of water though!

Re: Coronavirus - Possible ban on cycling in the UK?

Posted: 22 Mar 2020, 8:19am
by pwa
mattsccm wrote:Sorry to be smug, but until they ban it for going to work in a school supplying child care, I shall be riding daily.
I doubt there will be a radius ban. many of us don't even have a street light within a couple of miles let alone a shop.
I don't think its is helpful for any of us to get too worked up. Most of this is the unknown and what is obvious to one party may not be to another and basically no one really knows what works. I fail to see how me riding through the woods by myself is a problem but we can't have one rule for some and not for others.
I do wonder about the special hours for the elderly etc. Waitrose today at 8am was rammed with all the vulnerable chatting happily at close range. As my 85 year old dad said. They would be able to hear if they were to far apart.

My son is a student nurse who, as you would expect, is spending a lot of time with the sick. As such, he too is eligible for these early openings to get supplies. So we have those who should be self-isolating walking down shop aisles with those who spend their working day with the infected. What could possibly go wrong?