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Bikes`n`guns wrote:colin146 wrote:979861A4-4B83-46EE-A13A-52B11616C987.jpeg
So why is testing so important.? what does it tell you ? Apart from whether you have it in a short time frame you were tested in ?
fullupandslowingdown wrote:and where do China and India send their wares to?
Britain where we have closed down 75% of our manufacturing capability over the last 40 years. Britain where we can claim to be more environmentally friendly because we're producing less pollution than er China and India, because they're producing the pollution making our goods, that otherwise we would have been producing. Same with waste, we've tried to offload our rubbish for recycling and processing everywhere else in the world except at home where all we can do is burn it in EfW power stations.
China's defence in any court would be, that we failed to take reasonable measures to quarantine and isolate anyone bringing the virus here. And that we failed to test enough to monitor and track the virus. And that we failed to protect our front line workers enough with PPE. And that we failed to curb our freedoms soon enough to minimise the spread of the virus.
In a modern world, you can't stop viruses from moving around the globe. Even in the 1916-1920 flu pandemic, with slower travel around the world, it still made it quite easily across the globe. I don't think it's inconceivable that existing technology couldn't be used to screen all travellers in a few minutes for a whole variety of pathogens. But it's like other technology, the military doesn't like losing it's edge to the public sector.
The best way to deal with the lack of community spirit shown by China, is to re-establish our manufacturing capabilities post corona. In fact it's essential because we still have the woes of brexit to deal with. We're gonna need a major stimulus package to stop this country from going under. I think that the government's furlough terms were too generous. It should have been pegged at NMW @ 43 hours, which is the average working week.
Then if nothing else, some sections of society would be a tiny bit less ready to criticise the less well off sections. As it is, for some medium/well paid workers, on furlough, this lockdown has been only a mild inconvenience, unlike the millions who were on zero hour contracts, or fell between the two schemes due to happenstance. I wouldn't put it past some dailymail readers to think in future that all unemployed people get £2500 a month benefits, and not the £350 or so.
Inequality remains rife in this country, despite all the talk about pulling together, and taking one for the team. Maybe solving that is a bigger issue than trying to censure a world power like China which could retaliate with deadly consequences.
georgew wrote:fullupandslowingdown wrote:and where do China and India send their wares to?
Britain where we have closed down 75% of our manufacturing capability over the last 40 years. Britain where we can claim to be more environmentally friendly because we're producing less pollution than er China and India, because they're producing the pollution making our goods, that otherwise we would have been producing. Same with waste, we've tried to offload our rubbish for recycling and processing everywhere else in the world except at home where all we can do is burn it in EfW power stations.
China's defence in any court would be, that we failed to take reasonable measures to quarantine and isolate anyone bringing the virus here. And that we failed to test enough to monitor and track the virus. And that we failed to protect our front line workers enough with PPE. And that we failed to curb our freedoms soon enough to minimise the spread of the virus.
In a modern world, you can't stop viruses from moving around the globe. Even in the 1916-1920 flu pandemic, with slower travel around the world, it still made it quite easily across the globe. I don't think it's inconceivable that existing technology couldn't be used to screen all travellers in a few minutes for a whole variety of pathogens. But it's like other technology, the military doesn't like losing it's edge to the public sector.
The best way to deal with the lack of community spirit shown by China, is to re-establish our manufacturing capabilities post corona. In fact it's essential because we still have the woes of brexit to deal with. We're gonna need a major stimulus package to stop this country from going under. I think that the government's furlough terms were too generous. It should have been pegged at NMW @ 43 hours, which is the average working week.
Then if nothing else, some sections of society would be a tiny bit less ready to criticise the less well off sections. As it is, for some medium/well paid workers, on furlough, this lockdown has been only a mild inconvenience, unlike the millions who were on zero hour contracts, or fell between the two schemes due to happenstance. I wouldn't put it past some dailymail readers to think in future that all unemployed people get £2500 a month benefits, and not the £350 or so.
Inequality remains rife in this country, despite all the talk about pulling together, and taking one for the team. Maybe solving that is a bigger issue than trying to censure a world power like China which could retaliate with deadly consequences.
Just to say that I reported you straight away for talking sense.....hated to do it....but there you are.
fullupandslowingdown wrote:and where do China and India send their wares to?
Britain where we have closed down 75% of our manufacturing capability over the last 40 years. Britain where we can claim to be more environmentally friendly because we're producing less pollution than er China and India, because they're producing the pollution making our goods, that otherwise we would have been producing. Same with waste, we've tried to offload our rubbish for recycling and processing everywhere else in the world except at home where all we can do is burn it in EfW power stations.
China's defence in any court would be, that we failed to take reasonable measures to quarantine and isolate anyone bringing the virus here. And that we failed to test enough to monitor and track the virus. And that we failed to protect our front line workers enough with PPE. And that we failed to curb our freedoms soon enough to minimise the spread of the virus.
In a modern world, you can't stop viruses from moving around the globe. Even in the 1916-1920 flu pandemic, with slower travel around the world, it still made it quite easily across the globe. I don't think it's inconceivable that existing technology couldn't be used to screen all travellers in a few minutes for a whole variety of pathogens. But it's like other technology, the military doesn't like losing it's edge to the public sector.
The best way to deal with the lack of community spirit shown by China, is to re-establish our manufacturing capabilities post corona. In fact it's essential because we still have the woes of brexit to deal with. We're gonna need a major stimulus package to stop this country from going under. I think that the government's furlough terms were too generous. It should have been pegged at NMW @ 43 hours, which is the average working week.
Then if nothing else, some sections of society would be a tiny bit less ready to criticise the less well off sections. As it is, for some medium/well paid workers, on furlough, this lockdown has been only a mild inconvenience, unlike the millions who were on zero hour contracts, or fell between the two schemes due to happenstance. I wouldn't put it past some dailymail readers to think in future that all unemployed people get £2500 a month benefits, and not the £350 or so.
Inequality remains rife in this country, despite all the talk about pulling together, and taking one for the team. Maybe solving that is a bigger issue than trying to censure a world power like China which could retaliate with deadly consequences.
merseymouth wrote:Morning all, All I want from the PRC is honesty over the Covid19 figures that they put out!
The indicated death figures shown of available graphs appears to show no relationship to reality, only exceeding North Korea for duplicity!
No I must correct myself on that point, Ambridge would appear to be suffering less casualties!!!!
In developing mutual trust China must start giving out believable figures, only then will they be given even a trace of respect!
For a country with a population of over 1 Billion citizens they can't have suffered a death rate lower than the UK, it ain't believable. MM
ChrisF wrote:merseymouth wrote:Morning all, All I want from the PRC is honesty over the Covid19 figures that they put out!
The indicated death figures shown of available graphs appears to show no relationship to reality, only exceeding North Korea for duplicity!
No I must correct myself on that point, Ambridge would appear to be suffering less casualties!!!!
In developing mutual trust China must start giving out believable figures, only then will they be given even a trace of respect!
For a country with a population of over 1 Billion citizens they can't have suffered a death rate lower than the UK, it ain't believable. MM
Figures today have China with 4600 deaths out of a 1.4 billion population. That's 0.00032 percent. I agree it sounds unbelievable.
Spain (one of worst in Europe so far) has 23000 deaths out of 46 million - that's 0.05 percent, or 150 times as much.
But New Zealand (one of the most successful in containing the virus) has 18 deaths out of 4.8 million . That's 0.000375 percent, about the same as China.
So (unless my arithmetic is wrong) China's figures may be believable. Just good control required?
mercalia wrote:I bet the rate for the Falkland Isles is zero? also Pitcairn