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Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 11 May 2020, 11:37am
by Mick F
Thanks R2, but I still have another two brand new.
I bought four when I needed the first replacement.
Meanwhile, I still have the 11-25 cassette the bike came with, so that 11t was spare too, making five. Plus the 12t 13t and 14t too as spare from it.

Used three 11t, leaving two, and now have a complete new 11-28 cassette.
Probably won't run out of 11t before I need another new cassette.

Question:
Why do you have so many spare 11t?

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 11 May 2020, 11:56am
by NATURAL ANKLING
Hi,
I have replaced my 11 tea on my training bikes several times. 8S
Not because they are skipping or whatever simply because there are 11 and they wear quite badly.
But I was a bit surprised to find my Fifth gear cog starting to skip, you might say this is because this cog is the least worn, But no it's a cog I favour a lot of the time for climbing, Middle and top clanger.
Probably doesn't help a lot the fact I use secondhand chains And secondhand sprockets and I take the chain out normally to 1%.
Most people just change the whole lot don't they.
But the second hand stuff not costing me a penny, Nor is the crank set :)

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 11 May 2020, 12:00pm
by Brucey
NATURAL ANKLING wrote:Hi,
I have replaced my 11 tea ….


translation; 11 Teeth....?

don't drink it all at once....

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 11 May 2020, 1:24pm
by Mick F
NA uses dictation onto his device.
11 is easy, but T would come out as a cuppa!

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 11 May 2020, 2:16pm
by RickH
Mick F wrote:As for a 10-42 cassette, it sounds like it should be a 12-42 and a bigger chainwheel, and the fact that you don't "pedal" when in 10t, is suggests that you don't actually need it. If you do pedal in it, the losses are higher than a 11t or 12t and they wear like heck too.

Maybe I wasn't clear I do use the 10T just not a huge amount. I've probably been using it a bit more since the lockdown as I'm heading into town twice a week to do some voluntary work and on the downhill run (Chorley Old Road into Bolton for those that know), when there is any traffic around, I'm tending to "tickle" it along just to keep up with the motors.

If I had a bigger chainring (currently a 36T) to use with a 12 top I'd be wanting a 50T big sprocket to give the gear range as I DO use the 42 virtually every ride, either on the steep but shorter climb home or if I'm carrying a load back from town on the longer, but higher, drag (~20kg of shopping will see me in bottom gear on the steeper bits where I would probably only be in 3rd unladen).

My point though was really that you are likely to see increased wear on the rear tyre (& on gears) by using a lower cadence (the fact you wear out 11T sprockets seems to bear that out). It is a price you have to pay for your pedalling style, it will be harder on components.

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 11 May 2020, 7:04pm
by Mick F
I use all the sprockets and all three rings ......... in equal amounts maybe.
Loads of hills up and down here, so all combinations (within reason) get used top to bottom.

Mercian has a 12-30 cassette with the 28/42/53 chainrings, and although the bike has done many tens of thousands of miles, I've never worn out the 12t before the rest of the cassette.

The Moulton on the other hand, has worn out three 11t cogs with the same cassette. 12t upwards eventually wore, but it was the 11t that took the brunt of it. Goodness knows what a 10t would be like using a smaller chainwheel.

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 11 May 2020, 7:12pm
by Brucey
a love story, huh...?

I can't help but be reminded of this;

Image

Could be a jar of marmite walking through the door, or a Moulton bicycle.....?... :wink:

cheers

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 12 May 2020, 12:54pm
by Mick F
Broke the rear derailleur gear cable this morning.
Luckily, it was the forward section of the two and it broke at the cable splitter, so I undid the Allen bolt, pulled out the broken bit and re-fed the cable in.
This meant that the cable was too short so I couldn't get to the three smallest cogs, but all other gears worked.

I carried on the five miles home ok as with having a Sturmey Archer 3sp too, I still had plenty of higher gears.
Had it broke at the nipple end of either of the sections, I'd have been walking up all the hills. :lol:

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 12 May 2020, 2:19pm
by NATURAL ANKLING
Hi,
Yeah I always carry an inner gear cable :)
Got to be one of the smallest lightest things to carry, slips right in your pocket.

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 12 May 2020, 6:43pm
by Mick F
............... but you don't have a Moulton.
I'd need four cables plus a cutter.

The bike is designed to split into two halves.
Excellent idea for storage and/or for transport.

The gears and rear brake cables have splitters, so you have a nipple-end at the levers of course, and they are clamped into the forward end of the splitters.
The rear end of the splitters have another cable with the nipple end inside. That rear end goes to the rear brake and the rear and front mechs.
Usually, a Moulton has three splitters, but mine has four .............. rear brake, front mech, rear mech, and SA3sp.

I'll be sorting the bike out tomorrow. Been busy this afternoon.
Photos will be taken tomorrow morning! :D

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 12 May 2020, 8:48pm
by reohn2
Brucey wrote:a love story, huh...?

I can't help but be reminded of this;

Image

Could be a jar of marmite walking through the door, or a Moulton bicycle.....?... :wink:

cheers

Spot on! :lol:

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 7:36am
by gazza_d
Mick F wrote:I was. Nice tyres, and one became damaged on the side-wall.
Nice tyres, but at what cost?
£25+ per tyre.
My Nutrak were £8 each, and it was pointed out to me that I could have bought them at £6 each somewhere else.

There is no contest.
£25 a tyre, or £8/£6 a tyre?

Continental aren't worth the money considering how fast the Moulton wears out the rear.


I hope Mick F isn't wrong about these tyres as I've just ordered four at £3.99 each https://www.freewheel.co.uk/nutrak-siped-street-tyre-vartyn004
A fiver for delivery, but seriously at less than £5.50 a tyre these are worth a punt

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 8:49am
by Mick F
Yes, even if they only last half as long, you're still onto a winner.

Still very pleased with mine. I did a 4mile ride off-road yesterday. Rocky and stony and bumpy in places, and the bike and the tyres coped admirably. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to beat these tyres.

Terrific value for money.

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 9:17am
by NATURAL ANKLING
Hi,
Cables- what cable would inconvenience you most?
Well you only need to carry the one cable don't you!
sorry are you saying your cables are split with the joiner?
Okay so you carry two short cables with a joiner well that's just too short cables and reuse the joiner, I don't know the exact set up.
If one brake fails You can get by with the other break.
The -hub gears Default to lowest gear don't they?
Front deralliuer You can get by without that one can't you.

So any bike with derailleur gears That's the only cable that you need to carry for total inconvenience?

Re: My Moulton TSR - a love story?

Posted: 13 May 2020, 9:34am
by gazza_d
I usually carry a spare brake and a spare gear inner although it's been a long time since I have needed to replace one in an emergency.
If a cable broke, then I could always just fit a single cable and not use the turnbuckle on the road, and just sort out properly at my leisure and comfort.
It's not like inners are expensive.