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mjr wrote:

Paulatic wrote:Risky to try it in Cumbria it’s not cheap at £100/night https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-52835211

If that's an accurate report, Cumbria police have fined people incorrectly. It's leaving one's home without reasonable excuse that is illegal, not staying away overnight. Probably a misreport.

I can’t find your interpretation but If I quote from GovUk

. You should only leave or be away from your home for very limited purposes:

then maybe it’s because staying away from home overnight is not included within the list of limited purposes which follows that quote.

"Regulation 6(1) is amended to put beyond doubt that a person commits an offence if they remain outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse, having left it for a permitted reason."

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote:"Regulation 6(1) is amended to put beyond doubt that a person commits an offence if they remain outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse, having left it for a permitted reason."

Jonathan

tell cummings

(yes I'm angry)

from that report:

"Supt Sarah Jackson said there had been an "influx of people using beauty spots, car parks and lay-bys in the Lake District as unofficial campsites".

I won't be found in any places coming under any of those headings.

Paulatic wrote:

mjr wrote:

Paulatic wrote:Risky to try it in Cumbria it’s not cheap at £100/night https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-52835211

If that's an accurate report, Cumbria police have fined people incorrectly. It's leaving one's home without reasonable excuse that is illegal, not staying away overnight. Probably a misreport.

I can’t find your interpretation but If I quote from GovUk

. You should only leave or be away from your home for very limited purposes:

then maybe it’s because staying away from home overnight is not included within the list of limited purposes which follows that quote.

Most of the current list could be done overnight, and there are a lot of key workers doing (f) overnight. So unsurprisingly, nothing there stops "staying away from home overnight" because we need some people to do it!

But I even think it's arguable that to camp is reason (ba) for many, to "visit a public open space for the purposes of open-air recreation to promote their physical or mental health or emotional wellbeing" (if it doesn't make you happy, why would you do it?) especially if you bivouac or hammock rather than stay in a tent (more obviously open-air) so I agree with Sweep that the fines should be challengeable.

Jdsk wrote:"Regulation 6(1) is amended to put beyond doubt that a person commits an offence if they remain outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse, having left it for a permitted reason."

I saw that as trying to stop the wheeze of driving to the beach for 5 minutes jogging followed by 6 hours getting one's breath back that just happens to look like sunbathing.

So with lockdown rules being relaxed in England, particularly with family groups being able to meet up outdoors and in gardens, when are they going to let us go camping again?

mjr wrote:

Jdsk wrote:"Regulation 6(1) is amended to put beyond doubt that a person commits an offence if they remain outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse, having left it for a permitted reason."

I saw that as trying to stop the wheeze of driving to the beach for 5 minutes jogging followed by 6 hours getting one's breath back that just happens to look like sunbathing.

where they are living should have said where they normally reside? If i go wild camping where I am camping is where I am living ( at that moment ) what was the exact wording?

You could of course go for a night's bike ride (have done it many a time, not just the dunwich dynamo), kip/snooze/sunbathe somewhere during the day, then return home at night. So no night spent away from your residence. There is no curfew as i understand it preventing solo sporting and exercise activities after nightfall.
Apologies if my quibbling seems anti social (i am very civic minded) but i am raging against boris and cummings.
I will maintain distance at all times - if i should come across boris or cummings in my travels i can easily make them well aware of my raging contempt from 2 metres away. Could probably leave them in no doubt from 1,000 metres.

Sweep wrote:

Jdsk wrote:"Regulation 6(1) is amended to put beyond doubt that a person commits an offence if they remain outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse, having left it for a permitted reason."

Jonathan

tell cummings

(yes I'm angry)

from that report:

"Supt Sarah Jackson said there had been an "influx of people using beauty spots, car parks and lay-bys in the Lake District as unofficial campsites".

I won't be found in any places coming under any of those headings.

That amendment came into force 22 April. Cummings' time away was in March. Yes he was a silly man, but he was not in breach of this regulation which was not in place at the time (he was contravening the guidelines that he was jointly responsible for creating, but you know, "They're more like .... guidelines").

The only way in which he was silly was in thinking that he could get away with it, that the proles, who he claims to represent/understand would give him a free pass.
Clever people can be very stupid.
In every other way him and boris are beneath contempt.
I may ride past his house later today.

Sweep wrote:In every other way him and boris are beneath contempt.
I may ride past his house later today.

In completely unrelated news, milkshake takeaways are open.

Sweep wrote:The only way in which he was silly was in thinking that he could get away with it, that the proles, who he claims to represent/understand would give him a free pass.
Clever people can be very stupid.
In every other way him and boris are beneath contempt.
I may ride past his house later today.

Amen to that. As a floating voter who voted for them I am furious about it. They are showing their true colours. Of course a lot of people are saying I told you so..
Sorry derailing the thread a bit.

mjr wrote:

Sweep wrote:In every other way him and boris are beneath contempt.
I may ride past his house later today.

In completely unrelated news, milkshake takeaways are open.

Well it is kinda related in a way.
I will be bivvying, freecamping, using no facilities.
And will be doing it/cutting loose because of above.
May well not post details of where on here.
As for campsites, who knows. It's the facilities that will be the problem.

mercalia wrote:

mjr wrote:

Jdsk wrote:"Regulation 6(1) is amended to put beyond doubt that a person commits an offence if they remain outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse, having left it for a permitted reason."

I saw that as trying to stop the wheeze of driving to the beach for 5 minutes jogging followed by 6 hours getting one's breath back that just happens to look like sunbathing.

where they are living should have said where they normally reside? If i go wild camping where I am camping is where I am living ( at that moment ) what was the exact wording?

"Primary home"

A tweet from Tourism Minister, Nigel Huddlestone, sets it out in no uncertain terms: “You and your household can head outdoors for your physical and mental wellbeing in England. But be respectful to local people and communities. You must adopt social distancing at all times. Then return to your primary home – no overnight stays, including second homes and holiday homes.”

When was this statement made?
Is the tourism minister the stand-in for boris answer no questions johnson?
Respect for local communities -that would be cummings laying into Dancing Queen?

Pic from a recent bikeride of mine.
Outside 18 ockenden road, london N1

Stay safe folks, keep your distance - easy to shout at boris and the dom from 2 metres away.