Thanks for that.It's complicated and there are several different categories:
I’d lost the fact that there was a category between 250W bikes and 11kW ‘light motorcycles’.
Thanks for that.It's complicated and there are several different categories:
whats "active travel" about them though, if the battery is doing all the work ? I saw well it looked like an ebike, but the rider was just sitting on a saddle, not pedalling at all, didnt look like they had any interest in pedalling and it was doing 20-25mph, at least she wore a helmet I guess, and you can say well she wasnt driving a car, but maybe she could have used a bus, walked, cycled instead, so what have we gained ? I just have visions of this ending with the human race in those electric chairs from Wall-E.Vorpal wrote: ↑29 Apr 2022, 12:16pm E-scooters, like folding bikes, go free on public transport in Norway. I very often see one or two people with e-scooters waiting on the platform when I take the train. Most trains I use have at least one person with an e-scooter on, and my folding bike shares the bike space with an e-scooter a couple of times per week.
Honestly, as far as I am concerned, they are something else to encourage people to use active travel or at least, get out of their cars.
That they are still illegal in the UK borders on the ridiculous.
It's a bit OT for this thread, but it you or Nearholmer want to re-open one of the previous Deliveroo threads I'll happily share my experience from doing it as my primary source of income for the past 4+ years and maybe dispel some of the incorrect assumptions in this thread.Bmblbzzz wrote: ↑30 Apr 2022, 11:55amNearholmer wrote: ↑29 Apr 2022, 8:02pm Interesting that our economy has given rise to a group of workers who now subsist at prosperity levels that were pretty much left behind c1970.
Limiting speed is an issue, stopping people de-limiting it probably a bigger one, in either case I doubt restricting power can be used in the same way as it is with an E-bike. A scooter powerful enough to get a largish adult up many urban hilly streets, is going to be powerful enough to propel them at 20mph+ on the flat.Nearholmer wrote: ↑29 Apr 2022, 7:04pm TBH, I think we need to continue two categories, keeping “electric mopeds” for Highway use, and maybe consider not limiting the speed of the other things directly, but maybe limit power to a lower level than now, because after all its power that creates speed. People can always pedal a bit harder if they want to get more power (speed).
But the "dead feeble moped" still exists in its legal form.Nearholmer wrote:Good point. No human assistance on a scooter.
My point about people subsisting on poor wages wasn’t really about deliveroo riders, it was more about people who travel to and from work on e-bikes because that is the only transport they can afford (which excludes those who choose e-bikes for other reasons). They are doing exactly what people did in the 1950s and 60s on dead-feeble mopeds, which largely died-out as people became able to afford more capable personal transport.
I do understand that, having been reminded (by Jonathon?) yesterday that the category still existsBut the "dead feeble moped" still exists in its legal form.
You could write a book and self-publish - if it's interesting enough, you might be able to retire from delivering!I'll happily share my experience
The RoSPA report:Stevek76 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2022, 4:48pm https://road.cc/content/news/rospa-e-sc ... les-292339
About the opposite conclusion to the latest pacts report.
Whilst the pacts one was stuffed rather full of near anecdata (various unverified hospital information) this one indicates an unbelievably low collision rate, sticks purely to stats 19 with no effort to account for underreporting and seems to totally gloss over where it's estimate of distance travelled comes from.
This might be one of those “true, but uninformative” statements, because the rental schemes have largely been tried in areas with decent to good shared-use paths, where conflict with motor traffic is likely to be less than in non-rental towns that lack such provision, where conflict with motor traffic and riding on foot-ways is more likely to occur.The vast majority (94%) of incidents occurred in local authorities where there was no E-scooter rental scheme running.
I've been arguing for a network of low/no traffic zones for years, but cyclists just keep right on campaigning for more cycle paths.Nearholmer wrote: ↑1 May 2022, 8:34am To be able to use very light, human-powered or very-low-powered vehicles safely and confidently on the Highway, I really think the only answer is to calm motor traffic right down, and thin it out, by creating “calm zones” or “calm corridors”.