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Oldjohnw wrote:The government already has plans to make trespass criminal. Whilst the proposals were aimed at travellers they can as always be widened. People who supported anti-traveller action need to be careful what they wish for.

This.

Oldjohnw wrote:This morning after an overnight bivvy I took great pleasure in leaving no trace, As I expect all on these pages do. It is distressing that the antics of a small number for this year only might hurt us all.

Such people are the same as use disposable barbecues on beautiful moorland then doca runner when it gets out of hand setting the moor alight devastating wildlife,particularly ground nesting birds.

Yesterday, my volunteer group were clearing some vegetation from around tumuli on a heath.

Luckily, I had brought my litterpicker and spent a good half-hour picking up the wind-scattered, remnants of the [synthetic] filling of a sleeping-bag/duvet.

. . . the consequences of some "jolly fun" at an ad hoc, camp out .

Greystoke wrote:"there were eight tents, 16 chairs, eight sleeping bags, a duvet, pillows, a huge amount of booze containers – and there must have been at least 100 nitrous gas containers.”

I don't get it....why buy camping gear and not just use it once and bin it, but leave it for someone else to clear up.
That's wrong in so many ways.
We're just parasites

well they have lots of money but you cant have booze-orgy-parties in hotels?

These people are sometimes described as being like animals.

I only wish. The only mess animals leave behind is non-combustible and biodegradable.

Man has a unique opportunity and talent to do good but chooses far too often to be destructive. I could weep.

Latest press release from the National Trust on 'fly camping':

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/press- ... re-at-risk

reohn2 wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:This morning after an overnight bivvy I took great pleasure in leaving no trace, As I expect all on these pages do. It is distressing that the antics of a small number for this year only might hurt us all.

Such people are the same as use disposable barbecues on beautiful moorland then doca runner when it gets out of hand setting the moor alight devastating wildlife,particularly ground nesting birds.

As happened on the Roaches 2 years ago. Then what happens during lockdown in early June? Three wild-campers illegally camping on the Roaches and setting the peat on fire. Fortunately they were spotted just in time by a local resident who alerted the warden.

I understand the hoo-ha, and it's deserved, but let's remember that things will get back to normal in the not-too-distant future (when cold nights...) so I hope that there won't be the traditional jerking of patellae.

Bonefishblues wrote:I understand the hoo-ha, and it's deserved, but let's remember that things will get back to normal in the not-too-distant future (when cold nights...) so I hope that there won't be the traditional jerking of patellae.

Rivington,Dawen,Saddleworth moors and quite a few others have been ablase more times than enough well before the virus hit.

reohn2 wrote:

Bonefishblues wrote:I understand the hoo-ha, and it's deserved, but let's remember that things will get back to normal in the not-too-distant future (when cold nights...) so I hope that there won't be the traditional jerking of patellae.

Rivington,Dawen,Saddleworth moors and quite a few others have been ablase more times than enough well before the virus hit.

That's happened in previous years, too, hasn't it. The deep layers of peat catch fire and it's a bludger to get it out, I know.

IIRC it was more about trippers/cigs/bottles/arson that were fingered, as opposed to wild campists, wasn't it?

Bonefishblues wrote:

reohn2 wrote:

Bonefishblues wrote:I understand the hoo-ha, and it's deserved, but let's remember that things will get back to normal in the not-too-distant future (when cold nights...) so I hope that there won't be the traditional jerking of patellae.

Rivington,Dawen,Saddleworth moors and quite a few others have been ablase more times than enough well before the virus hit.

That's happened in previous years, too, hasn't it. The deep layers of peat catch fire and it's a bludger to get it out, I know.

IIRC it was more about trippers/cigs/bottles/arson that were fingered, as opposed to wild campists, wasn't it?

I take your point about cause but the result's the same,vast swathes of moor alight huge operations and resources to put them out,great loss of wildlife and more importantly potentially loss of human life.
I rode past the operation on the A675 for the latest fire this year on Darwen moor,I counted ten fire engines a helicopter a couple of ambulances and numerous other support vehicles how many staff I couldn't befin to guess.
It was clear this was a huge operation all for the sake of moronic numpties who need their arris' kicking good style,it beggars belief TBH.
The amount of litter left on the honeypot footpaths around Rivington and up to the pike is ridiculous in the extreme since the virus hit.
I really do not know what is in these people's minds I really don't,though I expect it isn't much!

I take your point about setting moors alight, that's bad enough but folks can see the damage they and others like them caused.
Litter is different, it very rarely makes the news headlines whereas a big moor fire is very news friendly.
We've become a throw away society, everything we buy gets dumped somewhere. I could go on but no one's even bothered.
When it's too late folks might think about their irresponsibilities but I doubt it

I gather that this pop-festival style party/camping often features in America teen films. Perhaps a case of people reliant upon such sources for their knowledge of the outside world being unable to distinguish between fiction and reality, or between the UK and the USA?

jgurney wrote:I gather that this pop-festival style party/camping often features in America teen films. Perhaps a case of people reliant upon such sources for their knowledge of the outside world being unable to distinguish between fiction and reality, or between the UK and the USA?

Maybe the N.T should import a few Grizzleys from the US of A and let them loose.... fun to see a few booze tripping fly campers wonder if they are real

mercalia wrote:seems general population is doing "wild camping" as the real campsites are over flowing.?[/url]

giving us a bad name....this is serious as wild camping could be made illegal in ways it isnt at the moment?

"I don't mind wild camping, as long as they respect the countryside". Quote given by a Lake District farmer on Radio 4, several minutes ago. Seem's he didn't like the sort who dump their tents and the rest on leaving, but respectul wild campers aren't an issue. Suppose I'm fairly respectul; found a superb green caterpiller trapped in a bucket outside the front door on leaving for a ride yesterday - so carefully released it in the shrub bed; found a huge snail trapped in my wheelie bin a few seconds later; so carefully released it in my shrub beds; don't generally wild camp in the Lakes as they're too crowded.

Have to admit I'll probably give the Dales & Lakes a miss until September, as the same farmer also reinforced my viewpoint, that the Lakes will be/are "swamped" at the moment