Cycling UK Forum

Ben@Forest wrote:I read that Police Scotland have had to stop 'wild camping' in several locations where it was no longer really 'wild' and damage and littering could no longer be tolerated - and that was pre-Covid.

I think "wild camping" is just youth code for "lets meet in the woods and have a pss up and party all night".

kwackers wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:Given the filth left behind on beaches and camping spots these last few weeks I suspect dumping at sea does happen. I witnessed it last weekend in the Southern Uplands: people with £50,000 campers dumping their trash. So not just the benefit yobs

You can't seriously compare companies facing huge fines and poor public relations with normal folk who risk nothing and don't give a sh.t

Because "A" is true doesn't mean "B" is also true.
That's a classic logical fallacy.

People are people and some will try to get away with anything.

kwackers wrote:

Ben@Forest wrote:I read that Police Scotland have had to stop 'wild camping' in several locations where it was no longer really 'wild' and damage and littering could no longer be tolerated - and that was pre-Covid.

I think "wild camping" is just youth code for "lets meet in the woods and have a pss up and party all night".

I've been wild camping for over 50 years and never knowingly left even a sweetie paper behind.

Oldjohnw wrote:

kwackers wrote:
I think "wild camping" is just youth code for "lets meet in the woods and have a pss up and party all night".

I've been wild camping for over 50 years and never knowingly left even a sweetie paper behind.

Not sure you're 'youth' then . But that is the reason why it was stopped in those locations.

You'd think those who wild camp a lot must have the occasional bowel movement - which means leaving something behind(!). I prefer not to wild camp, but in my impecunious youth did a couple of weeks of forestry work whilst camping on site. I needed a spade.

Ben@Forest wrote:You'd think those who wild camp a lot must have the occasional bowel movement - which means leaving something behind(!). I prefer not to wild camp, but in my impecunious youth did a couple of weeks of forestry work whilst camping on site. I needed a spade.

But subsequent vandals this summer have not just been youth. Probably most are, dumping festival self erecting tents and barbecues etc. But I suspect it isn't youth with £50,000+ campers emptying their toilets.

As far genuine wild campers having bowel movements there are simple protocols to follow. There is an award winning book on this and other topics:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Ho ... VwDwAAQBAJ

Please to describe briefly what the author recommends

kwackers wrote:

francovendee wrote:Maybe they have a place for those who want a holiday that is not taxing in anyway.

Most people don't want taxing holidays - why on earth would they? That's why beach holidays are by far and away the most popular.

But it's as taxing as you want it to be.
If it suits you hire a bike at each destination and peddle around, few coastal places are flat, they nearly always go uphill inland so you could really knock yourself out.

What I mean by non taxing is it's all done for you. No choosing where to stay, places to eat, bars to drink at or routes to follow. All the stuff that makes a holiday.
Overall, the idea of being cooped up with thousand of others would be the biggest reason for me not to go.

Cyril Haearn wrote:Please to describe briefly what the author recommends

In he specifics about faeces, nothing new. Take a small trowell, dig a hole 10cm deep some 100 metres at least from a path, a tent and a stream, c**p, put the earth back, then take your paper home or burn it. If you can't dig a hole take your c**p home as well.

I can't remember what the author recommends: that is the wild camping code.

kwackers wrote:

francovendee wrote:Wasted food on these cruises is massive. Buffets where some people load their plates and leave most of it.

You ever been to the pub for food - particular the "Sunday buffet".

There are a lot more pubs than cruises.

People are wasteful, IMO the real problem isn't the cruise or the pub, it's how do you stop that behaviour in the first place.

Only once, awful food in vast quantities which people piled their plates with. I'm sure lots didn't get eaten but judging by the size of many of the diners a lot did.
I hope the government can find ways to help the nation shed weight without preventing choice but I doubt anything will change.

francovendee wrote:What I mean by non taxing is it's all done for you. No choosing where to stay, places to eat, bars to drink at or routes to follow. All the stuff that makes a holiday.
Overall, the idea of being cooped up with thousand of others would be the biggest reason for me not to go.

A holiday consists of "choosing where to stay, where to eat, where to drink and the routes"?

I'd beg to differ.
Not choosing where to stay or where to eat, drink or what route seem to me to be more clerical activities I'm happy to do without.
Mind you my missus often asks "what do you want for tea?" and the answer is "I don't mind" because I don't. I can't be arksed with stuff like that.

But if your ashore then you still get to choose places to eat and drink. Even on the ship you have several choices and routes? Again unless you're tucked up in bed then you still need to figure out where and how you're going somewhere the next day ship, hotel or tent.

I'm by no means claiming that cruises are for everyone obviously they're not but I get the impression like most things people diss them without any actual experience.
Bit like cycling really...

For those who think shops no longer dump:

https://eu.oceana.org/es/press-center/p ... wage-ocean

Kwackers, Planning the whole thing is part of the holiday. We spend a lot of time over this and don't find it a chore.
It's difficult to argue about criticizing something I've not tried but once embarked on your cruise you can't change your mind and go home if you hate it.

Oldjohnw wrote:For those who think shops no longer dump:

https://eu.oceana.org/es/press-center/p ... wage-ocean

John, remember up thread I mentioned how people will cling to anything that supports their view.

The very first two lines say this.
"Press Release Date"
"Martes, Marzo 4, 2003"

I'm not sure how you can correlate "no longer" with that.

kwackers wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:For those who think shops no longer dump:

https://eu.oceana.org/es/press-center/p ... wage-ocean

John, remember up thread I mentioned how people will cling to anything that supports their view.

The very first two lines say this.
"Press Release Date"
"Martes, Marzo 4, 2003"

I'm not sure how you can correlate "no longer" with that.

It is a view based on the evidence all around us.i researched to see if I was wrong and of there were changes. I discovered it still happens and is legal.

francovendee wrote:Kwackers, Planning the whole thing is part of the holiday. We spend a lot of time over this and don't find it a chore.
It's difficult to argue about criticizing something I've not tried but once embarked on your cruise you can't change your mind and go home if you hate it.

I am concerned about the legal situation, a ship with thousands of people on board is like a small town, are there rules, laws, even police?
..
kwackers mentioned cabins, could be purgatory if one were near the motors
I was on a North Sea ferry near the 'entertainment', that was bad enough