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Jdsk wrote:

pwa wrote:You sure about that? How does the next line go?

Ben@Forest is right about the meaning when it was written.

Is that comment about "Über alles in der Welt" a suggestion that at the time it meant military domination?

Thanks

Jonathan

It does sound awfully like an expression of superiority. It is mostly academic of course, as Germany (excepting a few fringe nutters of the sort you get anywhere) has put that stuff behind it.

The tugs could be replaced if damged leaving Victory to bombard enemy,and Yictory could have used any wind to combat greenhouse gases,and cut down bill for sea-coal.Pepys would have applauyded this saving.

mercalia wrote:

Jdsk wrote:

mercalia wrote:... the BBC came under pressure from blmers like the Finnish conductor ( who is she to pontificate on multiculturism from a country that is almost lacking in any heterogeneity)...

Finland?

There's a lot of Swedish-speaking people in Finland, there are two official languages, and municipalities are officially identified as unilingual or bilingual, with most Swedish speakers living in unilingual Swedish speaking municipalities. There's even a Swedish People's Party.

Then there's the Sami people with a separate ethnically-defined Parliament and trans-national rights.

Jonathan

thats like comparing to the UK with the the Scots and Welsh; thats a lot of chinese/ africans of all types/polish & eastern european/yank/irish/etc they dont have.

Regarding your false characterisation of the conductor;
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/ ... ontroversy

Your characterisation of the Finnish demographic is also false, but I'll leave you do do your own research on that.

mercalia wrote:

Jdsk wrote:

mercalia wrote:... the BBC came under pressure from blmers like the Finnish conductor ( who is she to pontificate on multiculturism from a country that is almost lacking in any heterogeneity)...

Finland?

There's a lot of Swedish-speaking people in Finland, there are two official languages, and municipalities are officially identified as unilingual or bilingual, with most Swedish speakers living in unilingual Swedish speaking municipalities. There's even a Swedish People's Party.

Then there's the Sami people with a separate ethnically-defined Parliament and trans-national rights.

Jonathan

thats like comparing to the UK with the the Scots and Welsh; thats a lot of chinese/ africans of all types/polish & eastern european/yank/irish/etc they dont have.

I don't understand what you're saying. But a country that has two official languages, official recognition of them by area, a party aligned with another country and a separate ethnically defined Parliament seems to be dealing with a fair bit of heterogeneity.

The UK also has heterogeneity.

Jonathan

If you are fed up with the BBC your moment might be here:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/ ... dApp_Other

Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.

Ironically the "National Anthem" isn't. It has never been officially declared so.

It is also an example of how songs evolve and develop wiyh changing political and social needs.

The tune is probably an old even Elizabethan) song, and the lyrics far more recent.

In fact, one of the earliest recorded written not CD) performances of "God save the king" was to celebrate the defeat of the Jacobites at Prestonpans 1745. This outpouring of loyalty included and officially still does)

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.

Also there was another problem with the lyrics with the Queen, as the KIng was named

God save great George our king

However that did not scan with "Elizabeth" so the lyrics changed

No reason at all these songs cannot evolve with modern social and political chamges

Off topic but has there ever been an English national anthem other than the British national anthem?

Tangled Metal wrote:Off topic but has there ever been an English national anthem other than the British national anthem?

Or a Scottish one for that matter.

Oldjohnw wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:Off topic but has there ever been an English national anthem other than the British national anthem?

Or a Scottish one for that matter.

Scotland has one, in all but name, as played and sung at any Scottish rugby international and many other occasions.

DaveReading wrote:

Oldjohnw wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:Off topic but has there ever been an English national anthem other than the British national anthem?

Or a Scottish one for that matter.

Scotland has one, in all but name, as played and sung at any Scottish rugby international and many other occasions.

True but not official. Exactly as England.

In what sense is God Save the King/Queen official rather than customary?

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote:In what sense is God Save the King/Queen official rather than customary?

Jonathan

I don't know that it is official. As far as I know it is not by Parliamentary proclamation. I guess like our unwritten Constitution.

There are no official national anthems only accepted ones. Scotland and Wales have accepted anthems which get played at national events. British events have GSTQ for events where collective Britain is being represented.

What I am curious to know is whether England has ever used an English national anthem not the British national anthem at events where England was being represented not Britain? For example, has the English sports team at the commonwealth games used something other than GSTQ at medal ceremonies?

Yes, England has used Jerusalem at the Commonwealth Games since 2010. That followed a poll.

Jonathan

Jdsk wrote:Yes, England has used Jerusalem at the Commonwealth Games since 2010. That followed a poll.

Jonathan

That's a better anthem than most. I do love Blake.

O Rose thou art sick.
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night
In the howling storm:

Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.