PROMS-BBC disappoint

[Jdsk]

There are no official national anthems only accepted ones.

Lots of countries have official national anthems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_anthems gives dates of adoption. (There isn't a date for the UK.)

Jonathan

[mercalia]

DAVID MELLOR has a go


Conducting the Last Night Of The Proms is an honour generally only afforded to distinguished conductors. And some never get asked.
So who is Dalia Stasevska, this year's conductor? In truth, the 36-year-old Finn is a mere beginner, almost totally unknown in this country. She was Davey's tokenistic choice – based on only one previous concert with the orchestra – to become the BBC Symphony's Principal Guest Conductor.

Talk about being thrown in at the deep end. So she miscalculated by uttering a lot of woke nonsense about Black Lives Matter, when she should have kept her mouth shut, and merely waved her baton at the appropriate time.

Now she's deeply upset about the reaction she got and blames the BBC.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8677525/DAVID-MELLOR-Minister-defended-BBC-against-Margaret-Thatcher-Id-abolish-licence-fee.html

[mumbojumbo]

Nice to see David Mellor is still active in political thought.Does he still wear that Chelsea outfit when execising?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ellor.html

[thirdcrank]

Nice to see David Mellor is still active in political thought.Does he still wear that Chelsea outfit when execising?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ellor.html

From that link:-

... it’s a blue Chelsea shirt that most of Britain will forever associate with Antonia de Sancha.

Her revelations that Tory government minister David Mellor made love to her in his club strip kept the nation amused for months.

Never mind that her infamous claim, along with the toe-sucking and spanking, were made up. The damage was done and Mr Mellor eventually quit the Cabinet

IIRC, the late Max Clifford was said to have tried to float a similar set of lies to embarrass somebody else in the public eye. His tawdry spin seems to work from beyond the grave.

[mumbojumbo]

I am sorry if I have misrepresented David Mellor.If it was untrue he could have sued for libel,but in my view the damage was done to the woman.Fancy having an affair with someone like DM-it takes immense courage,and represents a triumph of hope over experience.What with Major being linked with Currie,and Lamont helpng Soros net millions,that 1992-7 lot could not judge a fruit and veg contest.

[Tangled Metal]

Didn't Clifford use the nasty trick of releasing juicy stories of famous people not on his books to move the headlines away from the ones about his clients that we close to getting out? I think I read that he was connected to the gossip media such that juicy stories would come his way. These he kept for when he needed them. I suspect Mellor was one he threw under the media bus. Whatever the truth I think he was ruthless and nasty but perhaps I'm wrong or unfair with that, he could of course be worse!!

[Ben@Forest]

What with Major being linked with Currie,and Lamont helpng Soros net millions,that 1992-7 lot could not judge a fruit and veg contest.

Though of course they made the Joint Declaration of Peace with the Irish government, started secret talks with the Provisional IRA which led to the first ceasefire in 1994 and then a further ceasefire when that broke down and substantially worked on the peace process which is almost universally credited to the Blair government though he had only been in power for 11 months when the GFA was signed.

(There are a lot of others to credit of course including NI political leaders, the Americans etc but as far as I'm aware the first feelers in secretly meeting the PIRA were put out by the Major government.)

[mumbojumbo]

I am not as strong as you seem in my grasp of details,but was struck by a recent documentary series by Michael Wood which emphasised how the action of Ulster Consabulary precipitated the revival by failing to protect Catholic community and by persection of of the same people,and tolerating Protestant atrocities.The Conservative(and Unionist) party may have been vicarisly liable for thesae events making Major.s efforts too little,too late and an example of clearing u mess of their own making.

[Ben@Forest]

I am not as strong as you seem in my grasp of details,but was struck by a recent documentary series by Michael Wood which emphasised how the action of Ulster Consabulary precipitated the revival by failing to protect Catholic community and by persection of of the same people,and tolerating Protestant atrocities.The Conservative(and Unionist) party may have been vicarisly liable for thesae events making Major.s efforts too little,too late and an example of clearing u mess of their own making.

The Troubles (in their modern context) started in 1969 during the Wilson government. I'm not sure how that was anyone's 'mess of their own making' in 1992 when l guess most of the then Cabinet was not long out of school in the late 60s.

But l guess if someone follows the 'sins of the father' argument we're all permanently guilty for everything. I'll put my hand up for the first ever RLJ in 1925.

[mumbojumbo]

In 1969 NI had its own assembly,in Stormont,so the presence of a labourgovernment was coincidental with rather than a cause of those events.Why did you mention Wilson?

https://www.nmni.com/collections/histor ... irect-rule

[Ben@Forest]

In 1969 NI had its own assembly,in Stormont,so the presence of a labourgovernment was coincidental with rather than a cause of those events.Why did you mention Wilson?

I guess because you mentioned the Major government as creating a mess if its own making. But NI and Ireland generally had issues that went well beyond Major or Wilson.

Of course there was the Stomont Assembly but in the 1969 election (the last before it was dissolved for 30 years?) even the Unionists were divided and couldn't form a majority.

Overall you said the Major administration couldn't run a fruit and veg stall. I just think the NI peace process came out of that administration, terrorism largely ceased and a lot of lives were saved.

[Cyril Haearn]

Thread drift alert

Is there a PromsOnTour? Are prom concerts held in the Six Counties?
I seem to remember PSOs, proms-shaped objects, concerts outwith the metropolis

[Ben@Forest]

Thread drift alert

Is there a PromsOnTour? Are prom concerts held in the Six Counties?
I seem to remember PSOs, proms-shaped objects, concerts outwith the metropolis

Thanks for getting it back on track . But sorry, no idea.

[mercalia]

seems like Rule Britannia will be sung now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53998584

For those who will be still offended the words will be sung on a separate radio channel for people to tune into ( not )

[mumbojumbo]

My objection is based on repetition-it crowds out better music.I also hate watching toffs at play, dancing and singing to a mediocre melody.