Low Traffic Neighbourhoods?

[Jdsk]

Should someone be told by his employer what to do and say in his own time?
Jeremy Vine warned of BBC's impartiality rule:- https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... s-says-bbc

Discussed here:
viewtopic.php?p=1720005#p1720005

Jonathan

[Bmblbzzz]

Parody.

[ratherbeintobago]

The BBC view of impartiality seems to be balancing every positive with a negative, regardless of facts or value. "The new malaria vaccine on trial in Kenya has proved highly effective, promising an end to this disease which kills over a million children every year. However, some people are saying that being infected with malaria is a highly important cultural experience."

Something has gone seriously wrong with the notion of balance at the BBC - every time it’s presenting wrong-headed minority opinion against hard fact.

[Jdsk]

The BBC view of impartiality seems to be balancing every positive with a negative, regardless of facts or value. "The new malaria vaccine on trial in Kenya has proved highly effective, promising an end to this disease which kills over a million children every year. However, some people are saying that being infected with malaria is a highly important cultural experience."

Something has gone seriously wrong with the notion of balance at the BBC - every time it’s presenting wrong-headed minority opinion against hard fact.

Is it raining?!

Jonathan

[Jdsk]

Criticism of Jeremy Vine by the BBC:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... s-says-bbc

includes:

"The BBC has warned staff against expressing support for low-traffic neighbourhoods, after ruling that Jeremy Vine breached impartiality rules by backing safe cycling measures near his London home."

Found it: the actual complaint, outcome and action:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/jerem ... -twitter-0

Jonathan

[mattheus]

Criticism of Jeremy Vine by the BBC:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... s-says-bbc

includes:

"The BBC has warned staff against expressing support for low-traffic neighbourhoods, after ruling that Jeremy Vine breached impartiality rules by backing safe cycling measures near his London home."

Found it: the actual complaint, outcome and action:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/jerem ... -twitter-0

Jonathan

Gary Lineker was in a brief twitter spat over this recently with a BBC News employee. Seems the Sports department presenters are not limited in the same way as those in Current Affairs.

So the Beeb has gagged those people who are employed for their knowledge, whilst paying millions, no strings attached, to non-experts with more followers ...

[reohn2]

Oops! sorry I missed that thread

[Cugel]

The BBC view of impartiality seems to be balancing every positive with a negative, regardless of facts or value. "The new malaria vaccine on trial in Kenya has proved highly effective, promising an end to this disease which kills over a million children every year. However, some people are saying that being infected with malaria is a highly important cultural experience."

Something has gone seriously wrong with the notion of balance at the BBC - every time it’s presenting wrong-headed minority opinion against hard fact.

"Hard fact". Hmmmmm.

As to the wrong-headed minority opinion - this is nowadays the opinion of the Tory party minority, canalised by various of their members from the fetid pools of hoary old Victorian prejudices and excuses-my-exploitative greedy-ways stink holes of well-rotted right-wing ideology supporting all sorts of nasty "business" practices.

The BBC, being essentially the main mass media armature of The Establishment, feels duty-bound to follow these government lines, even if they have become the worst kind of populist and proto-fascist nonsense. Even if it's pure barmpot raving, any crazy notion appealing to large swathes of the swivel-eyed can be used to gain or maintain power through popularity. And the "balanced" BBC must reflect the opinions of the government and other powerful agencies.

But where is the counter-charge of "hard facts"? No other political party or Establishment institution seems to possess such "right-headed" things. "Growth" and all the other failed assumptions of the Left, of Progressives, of Liberals and all the other alternatives to the dark-souled human monsters seem unable to come up with the wunnerful plan that the mythical "we" will all immediately see as the only and correct solution to the now vast range of social, economic and cultural issues engulfing an ever-increasing proportion of the population.

For many, the utterings of the various witch hunters of the gutter press are now "hard facts". All it takes is to screw up your swivel eyes a bit more and it becomes obvious that all sorts, from cyclists to dark-skinned people, as well as women with their own opinions, are dangerous to "our" way of life! If they can't now be burnt at a stake, well .... they can be persecuted with a wide range of other punishment tools available in this technological cornucopia of reality-bending mechanisms. One call to the editor of The Daily Hate Mail and .....

Cugel

[Mike Sales]

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As to the wrong-headed minority opinion - this is nowadays the opinion of the Tory party minority, canalised by various of their members from the fetid pools of hoary old Victorian prejudices and excuses-my-exploitative greedy-ways stink holes of well-rotted right-wing ideology supporting all sorts of nasty "business" practices.

I do enjoy your invective.

[Jdsk]

But where is the counter-charge of "hard facts"? No other political party or Establishment institution seems to possess such "right-headed" things. "Growth" and all the other failed assumptions of the Left, of Progressives, of Liberals and all the other alternatives to the dark-souled human monsters seem unable to come up with the wunnerful plan that the mythical "we" will all immediately see as the only and correct solution to the now vast range of social, economic and cultural issues engulfing an ever-increasing proportion of the population.

It's not hard to see a better way. Ask people what they want. See which systems have done the best at achieving those. Move towards those systems. Evaluate and repeat.

We've made enormous progress in avoiding starvation, unnecessary suffering and death from communicable diseases and from road traffic and workplace "accidents", equality of opportunity for women and many other areas of life.

Straw men arguments such as anyone suggesting that there is a single "correct solution" or stereotyping other people or groups of people only get in the way of improvement.

And this thread is about Low Traffic Neighbourhoods.

Jonathan

[Cugel]

But where is the counter-charge of "hard facts"? No other political party or Establishment institution seems to possess such "right-headed" things. "Growth" and all the other failed assumptions of the Left, of Progressives, of Liberals and all the other alternatives to the dark-souled human monsters seem unable to come up with the wunnerful plan that the mythical "we" will all immediately see as the only and correct solution to the now vast range of social, economic and cultural issues engulfing an ever-increasing proportion of the population.

It's not hard to see a better way. Ask people what they want. See which systems have done the best at achieving those. Move towards those systems. Evaluate and repeat.

Wot's this!? Are you suggesting we eschew the Rationalist way in favour of evolving tried & tested traditions in a truly conservative fashion? Quite right. I've thought so for decades. Of course, a certain variety of Liberals and Progressives do not agree. For them, the past and its doings are all "wrong" and need to be supplanted by the grand New Model Way. Sadly, none of the New Models seem to work other than as generators of large and damaging unintended consequences.

We've made enormous progress in avoiding starvation, unnecessary suffering and death from communicable diseases and from road traffic and workplace "accidents", equality of opportunity for women and many other areas of life.

You seem not to have noticed the enormous degradations caused by this "progress", from the millions-per-year road accident deaths (and ten times that number maimings) to the consequences of supporting a vast acceleration in human population with all it's deleterious effects. Applying the same model of technological advancement and "growth" as the solution to all of the problems they've caused seems a bit of a stretch, eh?

Straw men arguments such as anyone suggesting that there is a single "correct solution" or stereotyping other people or groups of people only get in the way of improvement.

You're always quick to dismiss points of view other than your own as "strawmen". A sign of discomfort perhaps? As to the habit of various flavours of Liberals and Progressives for coming up with the single and only correct solution, perhaps you need to look at some history? Or current polities and their various leaders? For a more detailed expose of the habit, have a read of John Gray's various tomes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gray_(philosopher)
You won't like them, mind!

And this thread is about Low Traffic Neighbourhoods.

Jonathan

This thread is about anything we care to discuss. Who appointed you thread-warden?

Cugel. probably a regressive.

[Bmblbzzz]

Criticism of Jeremy Vine by the BBC:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... s-says-bbc

includes:

"The BBC has warned staff against expressing support for low-traffic neighbourhoods, after ruling that Jeremy Vine breached impartiality rules by backing safe cycling measures near his London home."

Found it: the actual complaint, outcome and action:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/jerem ... -twitter-0

Jonathan

What is ECU in that context? European Court of U... ???

[thirdcrank]

Criticism of Jeremy Vine by the BBC:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... s-says-bbc

includes:

"The BBC has warned staff against expressing support for low-traffic neighbourhoods, after ruling that Jeremy Vine breached impartiality rules by backing safe cycling measures near his London home."

Found it: the actual complaint, outcome and action:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/jerem ... -twitter-0

Jonathan

What is ECU in that context? European Court of U... ???

From the linked grauniad article, it looks like Editorial Complaints Unit

[Bmblbzzz]

Found it: the actual complaint, outcome and action:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/jerem ... -twitter-0

Jonathan

What is ECU in that context? European Court of U... ???

From the linked grauniad article, it looks like Editorial Complaints Unit

Of course! Thanks.

[pwa]

Should someone be told by his employer what to do and say in his own time?
Jeremy Vine warned of BBC's impartiality rule:- https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... s-says-bbc

Generally speaking, an employer has no right to comment on or dictate what you do or say outside work, so long as it is legal and doesn't bring them into disrepute. But with a news and current affairs broadcaster it is different. They have a special role where it is best if their own views are kept to themselves, or muffled. How else will he manage to appear impartial and fair when speaking to two opposing voices on a topic?