Gang of six-impact on Xmas

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Paulatic » 15 Sep 2020, 8:14am

. a gathering takes place outdoors (whether or not in a public outdoor space)” for the purpose of “a physical activity which is carried on outdoors”, where a licence, permit or certificate is held by the organiser.


I take it as a Driving licence holder I can carry on arranging that 'dogging' meeting :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby landsurfer » 15 Sep 2020, 8:43am

Paulatic wrote:
. a gathering takes place outdoors (whether or not in a public outdoor space)” for the purpose of “a physical activity which is carried on outdoors”, where a licence, permit or certificate is held by the organiser.


I take it as a Driving licence holder I can carry on arranging that 'dogging' meeting :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby pete75 » 15 Sep 2020, 11:36am

Pebble wrote:With Boris and Cummings sneaky last hour intervention to allow an exception to grouse shooting parties
https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordp ... vid-curbs/

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/14/grouse-h ... -13269362/
Dominic Cummings’ father in law Sir Humphry Wakefield often hosts shoots at his own property, Chillingham Castle estate, in Northumberland and has expressed his love for hunting in the past. Some of the party’s fundraising events have auctioned pheasant shooting events in Scotland.


may be families could organise xmas get togethers around standing about in the back garden waving guns about ? then retire to the house for xmas dinner

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Tangled Metal » 15 Sep 2020, 1:18pm

Surely the exemption is about managing pest species. Like Tory advisers. Make it a condition of the exemption that Dick Cheney must be one of the guns. He's got a history of shooting his own side. Sooner or later we'll get lucky!!! :lol:

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby DaveBeck » 16 Sep 2020, 7:51am

Below is the list found on GOV.UK, detailing the sports and activities that are exempt from the 6 people limit. It's interesting to note, that despite cycling being recommended as one of the permitted daily exercises six months ago, that it hasn't made it's way onto the official list now. I wonder why if caving is on there for example, Cycle UK and British Cycling have gone along with the limit of six, rather than the upper limit of 15, or even 30 participants?

"The list of organised sport or licensed outdoor physical activity that you can do in groups of more than six includes:

Angling
Baseball / Softball
Basketball
Canoeing / Kayaking
Caving
Climbing
Curling
Cricket
Dodgeball
Dragon Boat Racing
Equestrian
Floorball
Football
Gaelic Sports
Goalball
Hockey
Hunting - some forms
Ice Hockey
Lacrosse
Netball
Octopush
Polo
Roller Sports
Rowing
Rugby League
Rugby Union
Rounders
Sailing/Yachting
Shooting (including hunting and paintball that requires a shotgun or firearms certificate license)
Ultimate Frisbee
Volleyball

Other sports or licensed outdoor physical activities may also be permitted where their governing body has published guidance.

All supervised activities for children, including sports and exercise groups, should carry out a risk assessment – up to any number of participants.

When participating in organised sport or licensed physical activity, you must not gather in groups of more than 6 before and after the activity. You must also ensure you socially distance from people you do not live with (or have formed a support bubble with) wherever possible.

When playing sports informally with people you don’t live with, you must limit the size of your group to 6. It is illegal to do so in a larger group and you may be fined."

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby landsurfer » 16 Sep 2020, 8:51am

Looking around my own local area there appears to be absolutely no adherence to the Rule of 6 ... non at all ... mums gathered in groups picking the children up from school. Social distancing never happens at the school gates, for some mums it's their only daily contact with an adult. Groups of children playing in the park behind the house .... Kick about on the football pitch ... large groups of teenagers meeting in the carpark of the local shopping precinct, chatting , socialising ... laughing ...

And nobody seems to have died.

Jeremy Hunt said twice on R4 this morning that over 80% of those infected show no symptoms ... so don't get ill !
So thats 80% of the <1% of the population infected ?
My wife is panicking because i have been diagnosed with summer flu .... god i feel rough, and have a well documented chance of dying, 10 times the risk of dying from C-19 ....

What is this all for ................. :(
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby [XAP]Bob » 16 Sep 2020, 9:17am

Mortality isn’t 10% of flu mortality.
The lack of immunity, or evidence of immunity is of serious concern.

“I’m alright, I can do 60mph through town, I won’t get hurt”
A shortcut has to be a challenge, otherwise it would just be the way. No situation is so dire that panic cannot make it worse.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Oldjohnw » 16 Sep 2020, 9:30am

Some good news for a change. The government has announced that if you are unable to take your Covid test you can use predicted results. Failing that a mutant algorithm should get the numbers down.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Jdsk » 16 Sep 2020, 10:34am

landsurfer wrote:Looking around my own local area there appears to be absolutely no adherence to the Rule of 6 ... non at all ... mums gathered in groups picking the children up from school. Social distancing never happens at the school gates, for some mums it's their only daily contact with an adult. Groups of children playing in the park behind the house .... Kick about on the football pitch ... large groups of teenagers meeting in the carpark of the local shopping precinct, chatting , socialising ... laughing ...

And nobody seems to have died.

What does the last sentence mean... nobody has died in your "local area"? Where is it?

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Oldjohnw » 16 Sep 2020, 11:05am

And don't forget that the clowns who are making such a mess of Covid are negotiating Brexit.
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Jdsk » 16 Sep 2020, 11:43am

DaveBeck wrote:Below is the list found on GOV.UK, detailing the sports and activities that are exempt from the 6 people limit. It's interesting to note, that despite cycling being recommended as one of the permitted daily exercises six months ago, that it hasn't made it's way onto the official list now. I wonder why if caving is on there for example, Cycle UK and British Cycling have gone along with the limit of six, rather than the upper limit of 15, or even 30 participants?

Statement from Cycling UK, 14 September:
https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/coronavirus-qa-it-safe-cycle

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby landsurfer » 16 Sep 2020, 12:59pm

I'm at a loss to understand why so many posting seem to be in so much fear of C-19.
It killed thousands and thousands .... then ...
However much that effected you ( we lost the MIL ) that was then this now...

From the DT today ...

" Data released by the Office for National Statistics gives an average of 15.6 suicides per day in England and Wales in 2019. The Government’s statistics show that daily Covid deaths in Britain have not reached 15 since August 4. "

Your not planning to kill yourself ... good.

And unlike so many other ways to lose your life, heart attacks, strokes, RTA, being struck by lightening, driving, motorcycling, ... Cycling .... the chances of death from C-19 are minuscule ... .
What is frightening you so much that you would lose your very liberty of deed and thought .....

I'm at a loss ....
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby pwa » 16 Sep 2020, 1:38pm

landsurfer wrote:I'm at a loss to understand why so many posting seem to be in so much fear of C-19.
It killed thousands and thousands .... then ...
However much that effected you ( we lost the MIL ) that was then this now...

From the DT today ...

" Data released by the Office for National Statistics gives an average of 15.6 suicides per day in England and Wales in 2019. The Government’s statistics show that daily Covid deaths in Britain have not reached 15 since August 4. "

Your not planning to kill yourself ... good.

And unlike so many other ways to lose your life, heart attacks, strokes, RTA, being struck by lightening, driving, motorcycling, ... Cycling .... the chances of death from C-19 are minuscule ... .
What is frightening you so much that you would lose your very liberty of deed and thought .....

I'm at a loss ....

C19 deaths have been kept so low by severely restricting personal freedom and by crippling businesses. Without those extraordinary measures, which have a heavy cost, the number of dead would be several times higher. You and I have not seen what Covid 19 would have done, and might still do, without those measures. I agree that C19 mortality is very low right now. If it did not have the potential to increase greatly it would indeed be just one of the numerous ways to die.

C19 also has the potential to over-fill our hospitals and render them unable to deal with other conditions. If we let this epidemic run out of control we will reduce our ability to deal with cancer, heart disease and any other life-limiting condition we can think of. Surely that on its own means we have to suppress C19 to the point where hospitals are not overly burdened with it.

And it doesn't just kill Granny. I personally know of two families locally where there are children with conditions that make them very much at risk. To keep them relatively safe, each family has had to isolate. The children themselves, their siblings and parents. And they live in very understandable fear of what one small slip-up could cost them. For their sake we have to keep C19 incidence in communities low.

We all have to exercise some responsibility here. I know of four people locally who have had a Covid test in the last week. Two of them are my son and his partner, both turned out to be negative but they did the right thing and isolated while they awaited the result. The other two are a mother and her daughter, who had the test then carried on life as they had before while they awaited the result. Mum went to work and her daughter went to school, knowing there was a doubt over their status! They were positive, so the girl's entire year group at school is now in isolation! You couldn't make it up!

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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby landsurfer » 16 Sep 2020, 2:11pm

pwa wrote:C19 deaths have been kept so low by severely restricting personal freedom and by crippling businesses. Without those extraordinary measures, which have a heavy cost, the number of dead would be several times higher. You and I have not seen what Covid 19 would have done, and might still do, without those measures. I agree that C19 mortality is very low right now. If it did not have the potential to increase greatly it would indeed be just one of the numerous ways to die.

C19 also has the potential to over-fill our hospitals and render them unable to deal with other conditions. If we let this epidemic run out of control we will reduce our ability to deal with cancer, heart disease and any other life-limiting condition we can think of. Surely that on its own means we have to suppress C19 to the point where hospitals are not overly burdened with it.

And it doesn't just kill Granny. I personally know of two families locally where there are children with conditions that make them very much at risk. To keep them relatively safe, each family has had to isolate. The children themselves, their siblings and parents. And they live in very understandable fear of what one small slip-up could cost them. For their sake we have to keep C19 incidence in communities low.

We all have to exercise some responsibility here. I know of four people locally who have had a Covid test in the last week. Two of them are my son and his partner, both turned out to be negative but they did the right thing and isolated while they awaited the result. The other two are a mother and her daughter, who had the test then carried on life as they had before while they awaited the result. Mum went to work and her daughter went to school, knowing there was a doubt over their status! They were positive, so the girl's entire year group at school is now in isolation! You couldn't make it up!


But it doesn't matter how many millions of people get infected if no one dies, or deaths are below the background noise of life itself.
If more people die of cancer because they have abandoned by the NHS in their pursuit of C-19 what is the point of any of this.

The ONS are publishing death data from summer flu as being x10 higher than C-19 ... Then winter flu will start and deaths will be like last year and the year before .... and still we will be paralysed by a virus that has harvested the low lying fruit ....

Still at a loss ..... and i expect i will continue to be .... I suppose when state pensions are cut by half to pay for C-19 there may some changes of position ...
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Re: Gang of six-impact on Xmas

Postby Jdsk » 16 Sep 2020, 2:14pm

pwa wrote:C19 deaths have been kept so low by severely restricting personal freedom and by crippling businesses. Without those extraordinary measures, which have a heavy cost, the number of dead would be several times higher. You and I have not seen what Covid 19 would have done, and might still do, without those measures. I agree that C19 mortality is very low right now. If it did not have the potential to increase greatly it would indeed be just one of the numerous ways to die.

Well said.

The prevalence should have been much lower and the testing and tracing working much better before the mass migration to schools and universities.

And the weather will change.

But we are where we are.

Fortunately we do now have competent population surveillance programmes up and running.

Jonathan