Breaking International Law

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al_yrpal wrote: 8 May 2022, 8:32am I'm hoping we will soon have a United Ireland and shift the religious/ bigot problem to the Republic. It will also remove the border problem too. Probably wont happen in my lifetime. :(
Our crumbling monarchy could be a factor too.

Al
Give it another 5 years and when the youngsters grow up and are old enough to vote it may well happen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern- ... 823506.amp
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Jdsk wrote: 7 May 2022, 10:44am If I understand correctly what just happened Sinn Féin have now won the highest number of first preference votes in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Lots to come on the Assembly and the Executive.

But will this affect what the UK Government does on the Northern Ireland Protocol either as policy in the Queen's Speech or through the relentless hints and threats?
And the USA has quickly made its position very clear:

"Northern Ireland Assembly Elections Results":
https://www.state.gov/northern-ireland- ... s-results/
includes:

"We call on Northern Ireland’s political leaders to take the necessary steps to re-establish a power-sharing executive, which is one of the core institutions established by the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement."

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Jdsk wrote: 7 May 2022, 10:44am But will this affect what the UK Government does on the Northern Ireland Protocol either as policy in the Queen's Speech or through the relentless hints and threats?
Unlikely, I don't think the they intend to do anything with the NIP other than what they've been doing to date: domestic politicking with the EU as the enemy.
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Stevek76 wrote: 8 May 2022, 11:41am
Jdsk wrote: 7 May 2022, 10:44am But will this affect what the UK Government does on the Northern Ireland Protocol either as policy in the Queen's Speech or through the relentless hints and threats?
Unlikely, I don't think the they intend to do anything with the NIP other than what they've been doing to date: domestic politicking with the EU as the enemy.
Yes, that does seem like the mostly short-term outcome. And the parsnips remain unbuttered.

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They need to get Ms Theresa Villiers then Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

Starting @6:20 - Irish border after Brexit can remain as they it is before Brexit. How do these people get into roles with such responsibility?

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"Sir Jeffrey Donaldson: DUP will not nominate a speaker when Assembly meets":
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/polit ... ts-3692315

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Jdsk wrote: 13 May 2022, 12:31pm "Sir Jeffrey Donaldson: DUP will not nominate a speaker when Assembly meets":
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/polit ... ts-3692315

Jonathan
A short article (for non-legal people like me) that goes through the legal basis the UK Gov. might be using to discard (parts of) the Northern Ireland Protocol
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/12/how-the-uk-may-try-to-override-the-northern-ireland-brexit-protocol wrote:...But what options are open to the UK, given the protocol was part of a legally binding international treaty co-signed with the EU?

Catherine Barnard, a professor of EU law at the University of Cambridge, thinks there are five options to consider.
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Jdsk wrote: 11 May 2022, 2:07pm
Stevek76 wrote: 8 May 2022, 11:41am
Jdsk wrote: 7 May 2022, 10:44am But will this affect what the UK Government does on the Northern Ireland Protocol either as policy in the Queen's Speech or through the relentless hints and threats?
Unlikely, I don't think the they intend to do anything with the NIP other than what they've been doing to date: domestic politicking with the EU as the enemy.
Yes, that does seem like the mostly short-term outcome. And the parsnips remain unbuttered.
Strange statement from the SoS: new laws but I can't show them yet, we have legal advice but I can't show it yet, two different operating standards for UK businesses.

Your theory is holding up.

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Jdsk wrote: 17 May 2022, 1:25pm
Jdsk wrote: 11 May 2022, 2:07pm
Stevek76 wrote: 8 May 2022, 11:41am Unlikely, I don't think the they intend to do anything with the NIP other than what they've been doing to date: domestic politicking with the EU as the enemy.
Yes, that does seem like the mostly short-term outcome. And the parsnips remain unbuttered.
Strange statement from the SoS: new laws but I can't show them yet, we have legal advice but I can't show it yet, two different operating standards for UK businesses.

Your theory is holding up.
...we have legal advice but I'm not going to tell you what it is!
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The DUP and many voters were foolish to believe Johnson's, over my dead body, promise that he could do Brexit with no border in the Irish Sea.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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From the Speaker of the USA House of Representatives:

“It is deeply concerning that the United Kingdom is now seeking to unilaterally discard the Northern Ireland Protocol. Negotiated agreements like the Protocol preserve the important progress and stability forged by the Good Friday Accords, which continue to enjoy strong bipartisan and bicameral support in the United States Congress. As I have stated in my conversations with the Prime Minister, the Foreign Secretary and Members of the House of Commons, if the United Kingdom chooses to undermine the Good Friday Accords, the Congress cannot and will not support a bilateral free trade agreement with the United Kingdom."
https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/51922-4

That's pretty clear.

And the Congressional delegation has arrived:

“The United States has special, enduring bonds with the European Union, the United Kingdom, and Ireland. Over the next week, our bipartisan delegation will reaffirm our congressional commitment to these important relationships. We are traveling at an opportune time as we, alongside our allies and partners, seek to recover from the pandemic equitably and inclusively, and as we remain united in our condemnation of Russia’s unconscionable war against Ukraine."
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/media-ce ... on-belgium

And those discussions should make it even clearer. And he politely makes the point that a trade war between the UK and the EU would be particularly unwelcome while we all try to respond to the invasion by Russia.

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"Concerns have been raised at the top of government over the legality of contentious Northern Ireland Protocol legislation, which ministers are set to bring forward in the next few days."
https://www.politicshome.com/news/artic ... l-legality

Now imagine that you're a Conservative MP who would like to get rid of Johnson. Can you think of a better cause than an unlawful Bill?

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Re: Breaking International Law

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I see the Attorney General's duties include
  • Government’s principal legal adviser dealing with (amongst others) questions of international law, human rights, devolution and COVID-19 issues
https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers ... ey-general

As a bit of a fun fact, I think her real name is Sue Ellen, which does date her to the Dallas era
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