Driver gets 42 mths after leaving cyclist to die, faking second crash to cover up the first, and taking alcohol & cocain

[thelawnet]

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/ ... ine-binge/

47 month driving ban + 3.5 year sentence.

Short sentence because 'careless driving', but also found guilty of perverting the course of justice so not clear why the sentence could not be longer.

[mumbojumbo]

Having read this it is appalling that a person should attempt to resume a normal life and stage a fake accident.A life ban would be appropriate and he should be made to confront realtives of man he killed,on a weekly basis.
The photo of him Ipresume was taken before the incident.Puts me off going to a gym and having tattoos-not a great role model.

[reohn2]

There's a thread on going ATM about respect.
This case is clearly what happens when there is no respect,firstly by the scum who did it and a justice system that also has no respect for the victim or their Loved ones .
This is modern day UK,a place where respect has been forgotten and criminals get off so lightly as to be unbelievable,the worst of it is that things IMHO are only becoming worse with practically no policeforce to speak of unless there's a demostration of some form or other no matter how peaceful.
A judicial system that's such a joke that sentences are regarded as an occupational hazard and with little chance of detection such is the sorry state of the the police and judicial system in the country as a whole.

It's utterly disgraceful state of affairs and we ought to be ashamed of the way we have allowed the country go to the dogs in such a way.


When I read stories like this,and many others like it has to be said,I'm ashamed to say I'm a UK citizen

[francovendee]

The crime was awful and so was the sentence.
I'm staggered by the small sentences given to people causing death by the use of drugs and alcohol.
Who are these judges? Are their hands tied with length of sentencing?

[mumbojumbo]

Whatever you feel describing people as scum is unedifying.The action is deplorable and it is the offence which should be the focus and the system which elevates cars and drivers to a level where special status is assigned to a privileged group.Judges are limited by a system of tarrifs which guide their decisions.I suspect the low value placed on life and high value on freedom is common throughout societies where cars are dominant eg USA,Europe and Australasia.

[reohn2]

Whatever you feel describing people as scum is unedifying.....

Please yourself,but IMO anyone who commits the sort of crime in the OP is scum,shouldn't be allowed a driving licence,deserve a long prison sentence and also should be paying compensation to their victims family until they're tripping over their beard.
These people are the same kind who is presently president of the USA,with not a care,consideration or empathy for anyone but self.
TBH scum is too good a word for them IMO.
YVMV mine won't.

[Pebble]

too many liberal lefty do-gooders and bleeding heart types obsessed with leniency and shorter and shorter custodial sentences have compelled the legal and justice system to these pathetic sentences. There is a very vocal minority out there who will feel that this was no more than a trajeic accident and a community based sentence would be more worthwhile to society, and if he needed to visit his elderly aunt from time to time then he should be allowed to keep his driving licence.

He would be doing a minimum 25 years if it was up to me.

[fastpedaller]

I echo all the above. I'm astonished that taking drink/drugs doesn't put this into the class of Dangerous Driving - It's not merely careless - if someone was operating any other type of machine (eg in a factory) it would be classed as dangerous rather than careless.

[reohn2]

I'm not the lock 'em up throw away the key sort and believe prison should be a last resort reserved for the career criminal and serious and deliberate offenders.
By all accounts this scum hit a cyclist whilst drugged and drunk,and to save his own sickly skin drove off leaving his victim seriously injured enough to lead to his death days later,who knows what pain and suffering he went through before he died and the pain and suffering his family has gone through since or how it will affect them for the rest of their lives.
He then pretend he'd crashed his car elsewhere to cover up his crimes.
He then went on to deny his crimes to save his own wretched skin therebye perverting the course of justice
Only when the evidence was produced thanks to a diligent police officer did he admit his despicable crimes.

For his disgraceful behaviour throughout,this scum deserves a long prison sentence upward of 10 years IMO,his licence revoked for life with no recourse for appeal and made to pay compensation the the family of his victim.

[Bonefishblues]

too many liberal lefty do-gooders and bleeding heart types obsessed with leniency and shorter and shorter custodial sentences have compelled the legal and justice system to these pathetic sentences. There is a very vocal minority out there who will feel that this was no more than a trajeic accident and a community based sentence would be more worthwhile to society, and if he needed to visit his elderly aunt from time to time then he should be allowed to keep his driving licence.

He would be doing a minimum 25 years if it was up to me.

So heavy retribution/punishment. Not saying that's wrong btw, as long as we're clear that that's the objective here.

[reohn2]

So heavy retribution/punishment. Not saying that's wrong btw, as long as we're clear that that's the objective here.

In this situation and other similar,yes.

[hamster]

too many liberal lefty do-gooders and bleeding heart types obsessed with leniency and shorter and shorter custodial sentences have compelled the legal and justice system to these pathetic sentences. There is a very vocal minority out there who will feel that this was no more than a trajeic accident and a community based sentence would be more worthwhile to society, and if he needed to visit his elderly aunt from time to time then he should be allowed to keep his driving licence.

He would be doing a minimum 25 years if it was up to me.

The UK locks up more people than other countries in Europe and yet has higher crime. The US moreso. Clearly prison is no deterrent, with over 75% of inmates likely to re-offend. Either that or we just have to accept that Brits are more evil.

The level of drugs and crime inside, plus minimal education and training is clearly not taking inmates on a path to mend their ways.

[reohn2]

The UK locks up more people than other countries in Europe and yet has higher crime. The US moreso. Clearly prison is no deterrent, with over 75% of inmates likely to re-offend. Either that or we just have to accept that Brits are more evil.

The level of drugs and crime inside, plus minimal education and training is clearly not taking inmates on a path to mend their ways.

That says more about the way the prison system is run in the UK (and the USA FTM),who we lock up and for what,and with very little in the way of rehabilitation.

In the case in question the penalty is woefully inadequate IMO.

[thelawnet]

too many liberal lefty do-gooders and bleeding heart types obsessed with leniency and shorter and shorter custodial sentences have compelled the legal and justice system to these pathetic sentences. There is a very vocal minority out there who will feel that this was no more than a trajeic accident and a community based sentence would be more worthwhile to society, and if he needed to visit his elderly aunt from time to time then he should be allowed to keep his driving licence.

He would be doing a minimum 25 years if it was up to me.

The UK locks up more people than other countries in Europe.

The UK is some way down the list.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... statistics

[pwa]

The word "lowlife" comes to mind. It isn't a word I would normally apply to a human but in this case the word seems just right. I don't know where exactly the collision happened but the road in question looks to me like a bog standard B road with no particular difficulties for a driver.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5836831 ... 2?hl=en-GB

If you can't drive safely on a simple road like that, how would you fare in a busy city centre?

And then to leave your victim to die while you rush off to fake an alibi!

The driver will be in prison for a couple of years I imagine, and then off the road for a while. To him, being self-centred, that will seem like a punishment, which is something I suppose. But I doubt that someone like that will come out of prison as a better person. A life ban from driving with automatic return to prison if caught breaking that ban would have satisfied me that some sort of justice had been done.