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mjr wrote:[
. Latest news suggests supermarkets are the most common transmission location: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-19/cov ... oronavirus

Close em down to collection and delivery only! Leave only specialists and mini markets open.

Does it?
Or does it prove people testing positive have been to a supermarket for food.

Paulatic wrote:

mjr wrote:[
. Latest news suggests supermarkets are the most common transmission location: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-19/cov ... oronavirus

Close em down to collection and delivery only! Leave only specialists and mini markets open.

Does it?
Or does it prove people testing positive have been to a supermarket for food.

Where does mum and dad go to get food for their covid infested minions ? -- oh yes supermarkets.

mjr wrote:

simonineaston wrote:

I still can't believe the government hasn't caught on that most of this r number increase is coming from schools.

Of course they have... however the political ramifications of shutting down schools again are uncomfortable enough to make it very unlikely. While they can hang on to the plausible lie that "young people are relatively safe", they will not shut schools again - too much to lose, amongst which are parents having to quit work to look after the children at home, consequent income loss adding to already serious levels of poverty and colossal time-bomb in lost educational progress / exam results, not to mention emerging crisis of teachers, especially ht.s, ready to quit, and already, thousands of children truant under guise of self-isolation, reluctant to return. They will do whatever they can to keep schools open this time, I think.

It's debatable whether schools are the biggest risk. Latest news suggests supermarkets are the most common transmission location: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-19/cov ... oronavirus

Close em down to collection and delivery only! Leave only specialists and mini markets open.

The data seem to be from 5 Nov (i.e. since lockdown start) so it would be interesting how they collected data on infections so quickly given that people have to visit supermarket, catch bug, wait for symptoms, organise a test, travel 200+ miles for test, wait 5 days for a result, etc. before there result can be included in the analysis (maybe a bit of cynicism there as I'm sure Dido and her Westminster mates get their test results pretty quickly).

I always felt prior to lockdown that Rishi's Taxpayer Meals and pubs were a major source of spread but that was just personal opinion (looked like an ideal environment to spread the virus given what we know about it). But pub landlords seemed to regularly appear on TV denying that based on "no statistics".

Also, we need to close-down hot-spots when they flare-up - something which Test & Trace seems to be failing to carry out e.g. No 10 Downing Street is still open for business and doing untold damage (beyond spreading the C-19 pandemic).

Ian

Dido proudly posted a screenshot of her “warning” from the app - which said “9 days left”. She proudly said it had arrived that night.

I thought the isolation period was 14 days, so her warning was five days after it was due...

Nothing like blowing your own raspberries.

Paulatic wrote:

mjr wrote:. Latest news suggests supermarkets are the most common transmission location: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-19/cov ... oronavirus

Close em down to collection and delivery only! Leave only specialists and mini markets open.

Does it?
Or does it prove people testing positive have been to a supermarket for food.

It's like a green traffic light only proves the green light is lit, not that you can go: it proves almost nothing beyond there being some sort of functioning data collection and summarising process. It only suggests things beyond that.

I would hope that they have excluded simple short single supermarket visitors and only reporting case clusters who'd been in there at the same time, but I've not checked the original data yet.

I could believe that the numbers of people who seem to be treating supermarkets as fun day trip destinations is having a damaging effect. Parks and things are busy but not as busy as they were during first lockdown and there still seem to be a heck of a lot of cars driving about all day, so where are those people going? Into supermarkets because it's a bit cold out and they're some of the few shops left open and many of them are big enough you can wander the aisles for quite a while? Plausible.

Keep business and hospitality etc open and do schools online for a while cos if they don't the job centres will be as full as the hospitals.

Cowsham wrote:Keep business and hospitality etc open and do schools online for a while cos if they don't the job centres will be as full as the hospitals.

Schools probably should go online at least part-time (maybe alternating weeks) IMO. It's difficult but they seem to be transmission locations.

Businesses are open anyway, but indoors hospitality really should not be open, from the looks of the data. If we want hospitality businesses to survive, we need to become a country of takeaways and tea/beer gardens for almost another year, but many people (including the business owners) seem to be in denial about this.

Most of all, I really really hope the leaked "Catch Covid for Christmas" scheme doesn't happen, else there will be another lockdown (or worse, it'll be needed but not happen) right when people are trying to deal with any Brexit consequences.

Looks as if that survey was done 9-15th November. That’s after lockdown so no wonder pubs and eateries don’t feature high. It mentions common exposure which I understand to mean

any location/event which at least 2 COVID19 cases attended in the 2-7 days before testing positive

and that place of exposure does not mean place of infection.
On this evidence I will carry on my weekly shopping and keep avoiding pubs and sealed up eateries.

mjr wrote:
I would hope that they have excluded simple short single supermarket visitors e.

Why? I had a quick count the other day and I've got my supermarket visits down to 27 over the last fortnight (Nb. It's essential to drop in whilst passing, as the quality of bread, fish and sometimes meat can change during the day).

I'm not aware of having caught any virus thingy yet . It's rather like using the gym 2-3 times a day prior to this latest lockdown nonsense, or catching 3-4 buses a day - all supposedly high risk environments, yet I've not come across anyone who knows anyone who's actually caught a virus yet .

gbnz wrote:I'm not aware of having caught any virus thingy yet . It's rather like using the gym 2-3 times a day prior to this latest lockdown nonsense, or catching 3-4 buses a day - all supposedly high risk environments, yet I've not come across anyone who knows anyone who's actually caught a virus yet .

High risk doesn't equate to guaranteed risk.

It's just dice throws, you can probably cross a road with your eyes shut and not get run over but do it enough times and there's only one way it can end up.

I know several people who've caught the virus, including my cousins son.
He had it for about a week and was apparently feeling better, one day he woke up and was struggling to breathe, by that evening they called an ambulance and he died on the way to the hospital. He was 45.

Some of them have fairly obvious paths to their infection, others not so obvious.
I'm not sure I buy the supermarket angle, I rather get the impression that's the news simply extrapolating data they don't understand and coming to a ballcocks conclusion.

MiniBob’s school have had a handful of individual cases, and no in school clusters at all. But the students are staying still in their classroom, always sat in the same place, and as distanced as they can be.
Their cafeteria is working shifts, they are just starting to use science labs (which are deep cleaned between each class) for some lessons. They all wear masks, and there is a one way system around the school. The teachers are teaching from the front, 3m away from the kids,....

In the school just up the road, which has *masses* of space (the school isn’t half full yet) they have already completely closed due to transmission in the school taking out basically every year group bar one.

I rather suspect that “schools are bad” is as accurate as “drivers are bad” or “cyclists are bad”.

Supermarkets - I don’t know, haven’t been closer than the car park to one since early February.

gbnz wrote:... yet I've not come across anyone who knows anyone who's actually caught a virus yet.

26 off the top of my head including one death.

Jonathan

gbnz wrote:

mjr wrote:
I would hope that they have excluded simple short single supermarket visitors e.

Why? I had a quick count the other day and I've got my supermarket visits down to 27 over the last fortnight (Nb. It's essential to drop in whilst passing, as the quality of bread, fish and sometimes meat can change during the day).

I'm not aware of having caught any virus thingy yet . It's rather like using the gym 2-3 times a day prior to this latest lockdown nonsense, or catching 3-4 buses a day - all supposedly high risk environments, yet I've not come across anyone who knows anyone who's actually caught a virus yet .

So you don’t know me at all?

Did you read my post about isolation?

gbnz wrote:yet I've not come across anyone who knows anyone who's actually caught a virus yet .

Even in my rural area I know 6 Five at the start from a church meeting resulting in one being hospitalised for 2 weeks. Also a recent case which arose from sharing the works van.
Riding the train looks fairly safe to me as they pass by my home, WCML, there is one person per carriage.

Paulatic wrote:Riding the train looks fairly safe to me as they pass by my home, WCML, there is one person per carriage.

BBC Look East this morning reported that lots of random swabbing of Greater Anglia trains found no virus on them. They have been using some antiviral coating spray on them as well as extra cleaning.

I would use them if needed, but I haven't needed to. Bike most of the time. Car mileage halved this year, too.

Not sure what I think of buses: lower risk than trains in that they seem to have windows open, but higher in that they have a higher passenger density.