Covid-19 : 2nd Lockdown 2020 : 3rd Lockdown 2021

[Oldjohnw]

Before the ONS had enough data people who didn't accept NHS data for Covid deaths said, "Wait until we get excess deaths which will be accurate".

Now we have the excess deaths they still don't accept it.

[horizon]

... yet I've not come across anyone who knows anyone who's actually caught a virus yet.

26 off the top of my head including one death.

Jonathan

That's quite shocking. Like gbnz, I don't know anyone personally who has actually had covid let alone died of it and I only know of one person, the daughter of the sister of a friend - so quite distant. I don't think you need to know people first hand to know that others have suffered and indeed died. However it might make you wonder about the circumstances.

May I ask if these people were mostly from the medical (health) or caring professions (the one person I mentioned above was a care worker)?

This is quite an old article from the Independent but still shocking, particularly because health workers are presumably not in the very old age groups nor, since they are working, in very poor health:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 65386.html

[pwa]

... yet I've not come across anyone who knows anyone who's actually caught a virus yet.

26 off the top of my head including one death.

Jonathan

That's quite shocking. Like gbnz, I don't know anyone personally who has actually had covid let alone died of it and I only know of one person, the daughter of the sister of a friend - so quite distant. I don't think you need to know people first hand to know that others have suffered and indeed died. However it might make you wonder about the circumstances.

May I ask if these people were mostly from the medical (health) or caring professions (the one person I mentioned above was a care worker)?

This is quite an old article from the Independent but still shocking, particularly because health workers are presumably not in the very old age groups nor, since they are working, in very poor health:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 65386.html

Two colleagues of my wife currently have it. One came to work and told another colleague that he was unable to smell his baby's nappy earlier that morning. He was told to leave the building, go home, and order a test. He did and it came back positive. A neighbour of my son had it a few weeks ago. It is out there.

The latest local person to die from it was in his fifties and with no underlying conditions. I think he may have worked in a hospital, but I'm not sure about that.

[Oldjohnw]

My daughter had it and is well. An aunt had it and died. Two brothers on law had it: one fully recovered, another, previously was fit as could be, only 50 and no previous health issues, still ill after 4 months. He didn't believe in the virus. Until he got it.

I don't know anyone who was in Siberia so it can't exist.

[millimole]

I don't know anyone who was in Siberia so it can't exist.

I don't doubt that there is a genuine issue. But there is a huge disparity between those who know lots of people who have been (very) ill with the disease, and those - like me - who know none. And, I don't understand why that should be.

I live on the edge of Leicester, supposedly a 'hot spot' for the virus, and I see little evidence of anything beyond basic compliance with minimal rules, yet no evidence of disease outside of news reports.

My circle of friends and aquantancies tends to be older people, with a few younger ones through my son's family. They perhaps tend towards the sedentary rather than the active, so I doubt there's any correlation there.
It's just odd that some people know lots of others who have come down with it, and others don't.

[kwackers]

It's just odd that some people know lots of others who have come down with it, and others don't.

Why's it odd?
Contagious diseases tend to infect clusters of people, they don't infect randomly distributed people.
If a cluster of people you're aware of is infected then you'll suddenly know lots.

[gbnz]

Like gbnz I don't know anyone personally who has actually had covid let alone died
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 65386.html

Arn't old and obese people supposedly vulnerable? My 79 year old mother is fairly indifferent to it, annoyed she's been preventing from munro bagging and mountain runs all year, but quite happily helping out daily in voluntary schemes with high levels of non stop interpersonal contact. She hasn't caught it . Like myself, she's the attitude that when you die you die. Oh and two of my morbidly obese siblings haven't caught it; aren't they have supposed to have died by now? Surely individuals who's internal organs were failing by their mid thirties due to obesity, are supposed to be vulnerable? Suppose one of them only works in a healthcare related role, so with daily interaction with large numbers of people, can't possibly catch it?

Oh never mind. The gym and pool are open again on Wednesday, so ready for a 06.15am start. Wonder how many people have died at the gym yet.? No one has ever heard of anyone having Covid yet, locally. Had a lengthy chat with a couple of 70+ year olds gym users on Friday, like me they're annoyed that Kevlin, Joe and the barbers have been forced out of business. To think that a butcher in his 30's who's worked his life out selling sausages, has been forced in to unemployment by HM Gvt. But like me, they'll be back at the gym (Nb. they're a bit lazy in their 70's, they don't start until the 07.30 gym appointment . God, some people take any excuse to take it easy )

Haven't asked Harry if he's had to dig any more graves yet. I think he's had a quiet summer, deaths being unusually low this year. Never mind, suppose business could build up, if HM Gvt undertake more actions to destroy peoples lives . Will be interesting to see what this years suicide rate is?

[Phileas]

A colleague recently caught it and subsequently his whole household of six had it. Following that my managers parents and in-laws all caught it.

[[XAP]Bob]

Like myself, she's the attitude that when you die you die

So do you not look both ways when you cross the road?

More importantly do you just randomly push other people onto the road...

[Paulatic]

I’d love to know how a butcher couldn’t make a living through the lockdown. All local butchers I know have had a real local bonanza.

To think that a butcher in his 30's who's worked his life out selling sausages, has been forced in to unemployment by HM Gvt

Hope he hasn’t been idling his time down at the gym.

[Oldjohnw]

To think that a butcher in his 30's who's worked his life out selling sausages, has been forced in to unemployment by HM Gvt.

Were food shops closed in your area? Or were sausages outlawed?

[thirdcrank]

Hard times - trying to make both ends meat.

(The old ones are the best, ho, ho, ho!)

[Psamathe]

It's absurd that I should be prevented from using the gym, the pool, the library, just to allow some elderly person in their 50's or above survive for a bit longer. Why can't they simply be given the choice? Isolate or die? (Nb. Obviously those having to rely on the NHS may not have the choice! No other healthcare provider in Europe have come close to their figures yet)

Maybe a little casual research around the subject might be useful. e.g.

Preliminary data from the first study to assess the long-term impact of Covid-19 on multiple organ health in “low-risk” individuals (those who are relatively young and healthy) with ongoing symptoms shows 70% of the first 200 screened patients have impairments in one or more organs, including the heart, lungs, pancreas and liver, four months after they were first ill.

And it's not "rare

As many as 1 in every 10 COVID-19 patients could end up with symptoms lasting for longer than three months, with sufferers around the world terming this ‘long COVID’.

Ian

[kwackers]

Arn't old and obese people supposedly vulnerable? My 79 year old mother is fairly indifferent to it, annoyed she's been preventing from munro bagging and mountain runs all year, but quite happily helping out daily in voluntary schemes with high levels of non stop interpersonal contact. She hasn't caught it . Like myself, she's the attitude that when you die you die. Oh and two of my morbidly obese siblings haven't caught it; aren't they have supposed to have died by now? Surely individuals who's internal organs were failing by their mid thirties due to obesity, are supposed to be vulnerable? Suppose one of them only works in a healthcare related role, so with daily interaction with large numbers of people, can't possibly catch it

You've got to be in it to win it. (Or at least catch it)

[gbnz]

To think that a butcher in his 30's who's worked his life out selling sausages, has been forced in to unemployment by HM Gvt.

Were food shops closed in your area? Or were sausages outlawed?

Hmm..I'm not sure. I know that sit up's have been banned in Northumberland since 23 March, since sit up's are a covid risk . I've never quite worked out how I can run flat out on a treadmill, x-trainer or on an exercise bike for 60 minutes in a gym in Northumberland, but apparently sit up's are a covid risk (Nb. Maybe we gym users breath heavily when doing sit up's . You'd have thought that cardio at 95% max heart for a full 60 minutes may be more of a risk Never mind, the experts know............all)

Anyway, never mind, now that covid infection levels are known to have risen 20 miles away, with 2-3, 80-90 yr old's having caught it, the gym and pool are back open on Wednesday. Suppose we just have to encourage those idle 70's year olds to get there earlier and put more effort in (Nb. Have to admit, my mother never use's a gym. Woman thinks that running up a mountain at 79 will do it. She doesn't even cycle . She even has expressed the opinion that walking to supermarket is a bit much (NB. It's only 13 miles away, with a 1200' climb over the moors. I've previously done it daily)