Covid-19 : 2nd Lockdown 2020 : 3rd Lockdown 2021

[reohn2]

My daughter had it and is well. An aunt had it and died. Two brothers on law had it: one fully recovered, another, previously was fit as could be, only 50 and no previous health issues, still ill after 4 months. He didn't believe in the virus. Until he got it.

I know of four people,my SinL,an HGV driver forced back to work financially though he's still not fit,the other three are two postmen and a vehicle mechanic all have recovered well.

I don't know anyone who was in Siberia so it can't exist.

There's a lot of denial about the seriousness of the virus,some of it quite bizarre

[gbnz]

My daughter had it and is well. An aunt had it and died. Two brothers on law had it: one fully recovered, another, previously was fit as could be, only 50 and no previous health issues, still ill after 4 months. He didn't believe in the virus. Until he got it.

I know of four people,my SinL,an HGV driver forced back to work financially though he's still not fit,the other three are two postmen and a vehicle mechanic all have recovered well.

I don't know anyone who was in Siberia so it can't exist.

There's a lot of denial about the seriousness of the virus,some of it quite bizarre

Perhaps, but <50, exceptionally fit and (Formerly) healthy. Suppose I've ended up in an emergency ambulance mid-ride, mid-swim, 13+ occasions in 25 months. Suppose I now have legal instructions in place, to oblige those NHS bas.....to allow me to die mid ride, mid swim, mid climb . Suppose I've been techically, just about about dead once or twice in the past two years.

[reohn2]

My daughter had it and is well. An aunt had it and died. Two brothers on law had it: one fully recovered, another, previously was fit as could be, only 50 and no previous health issues, still ill after 4 months. He didn't believe in the virus. Until he got it.

I know of four people,my SinL,an HGV driver forced back to work financially though he's still not fit,the other three are two postmen and a vehicle mechanic all have recovered well.

I don't know anyone who was in Siberia so it can't exist.

There's a lot of denial about the seriousness of the virus,some of it quite bizarre

Perhaps, but <50, exceptionally fit and (Formerly) healthy. Suppose I've ended up in an emergency ambulance mid-ride, mid-swim, 13+ occasions in 25 months. Suppose I now have legal instructions in place, to oblige those NHS bas.....to allow me to die mid ride, mid swim, mid climb . Suppose I've been techically, just about about dead once or twice in the past two years.

Have a nice day
I've no wish to leave this planet anytime soon,mainly because there's nothing to look forward to.
You OTOH seem to relish the idea,which is your prerogative of course,so long as you don't take anyone with you who,like me,doesn't wish to leave

[Vorpal]

Perhaps, but <50, exceptionally fit and (Formerly) healthy. Suppose I've ended up in an emergency ambulance mid-ride, mid-swim, 13+ occasions in 25 months. Suppose I now have legal instructions in place, to oblige those NHS bas.....to allow me to die mid ride, mid swim, mid climb . Suppose I've been techically, just about about dead once or twice in the past two years.

Under 50 tends to mean that covid is less serious, but I know two people who are around 50 who've had it months ago, and are still sick. One of them is having severe long term effects. The other has tremors/palsy from time to time, less energy than pre-covid, and has days where he can't do his normal 8 hours working. He's got a few other symptoms; enough that doctors are checking to eliminate problems with similar symptoms, like Parkinson's, essential tremor, hyperthyroidism, etc. so far, though, they are working on the assumption that it is long covid.

[gbnz]

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You OTOH seem to relish the idea,which is your prerogative of course,so long as you don't take anyone with you who,like me,doesn't wish to leave

Oh no. Suppose that having been brought up in an advanced society, it's easier to recognize how backward the UK is. Rather like dealing with a broken collar bone in August; the NHS - discharged me with a plastic comb and toothbrush. Dr's in Canada and New Zealand? No problem with 25 minutes advice online/via phone, advising of the important of physio.

But never mind. As a 9 yr old coming into the UK, couldn't believe that children at school had head lice, warts, they ate fatty foods (School Dinners). [moderated]

[horizon]

I don't doubt that there is a genuine issue. But there is a huge disparity between those who know lots of people who have been (very) ill with the disease, and those - like me - who know none. And, I don't understand why that should be.

It's just odd that some people know lots of others who have come down with it, and others don't.

This is my thought exactly. But:

kwackers wrote:
Why's it odd?
Contagious diseases tend to infect clusters of people, they don't infect randomly distributed people.
If a cluster of people you're aware of is infected then you'll suddenly know lots.

kwackers: I agree with you but let's say you don't know anyone with lung disease in your village in Sussex. Someone else, living in a mining town in Nottinghamshire knows lots. Is the cluster random or not?

[Jdsk]

horizon: Roughly how many people in the UK do you think have died from COVID-19?

Thanks

Jonathan

[kwackers]

kwackers: I agree with you but let's say you don't know anyone with lung disease in your village in Sussex. Someone else, living in a mining town in Nottinghamshire knows lots. Is the cluster random or not?

I'm not really sure what you're getting at or the relevance.

Of course it's not random but neither is covid.

You can only *know* people who've had it if you've some connection to the cluster otherwise it's always someone else.

[horizon]

horizon: Roughly how many people in the UK do you think have died from COVID-19?

Thanks

Jonathan

My understanding is based on what is reported in the national media. At the moment it's about 57,000.

[Jdsk]

Thanks. Of course the official data are available directly rather than through the filter of any other medium.

Jonathan

[pwa]

I don't know anyone who was in Siberia so it can't exist.

I don't doubt that there is a genuine issue. But there is a huge disparity between those who know lots of people who have been (very) ill with the disease, and those - like me - who know none. And, I don't understand why that should be.

I live on the edge of Leicester, supposedly a 'hot spot' for the virus, and I see little evidence of anything beyond basic compliance with minimal rules, yet no evidence of disease outside of news reports.

My circle of friends and aquantancies tends to be older people, with a few younger ones through my son's family. They perhaps tend towards the sedentary rather than the active, so I doubt there's any correlation there.
It's just odd that some people know lots of others who have come down with it, and others don't.

Have you got access to figures from your nearest general hospital? That will tell you how active it is in your area, bearing in mind that only a small minority of cases necessitate hospital admission. If your hospital is struggling with the number of cases, there is an issue in your area. Even if it hasn't slipped onto your personal radar. I didn't know anyone within a mile of me who had had it until a few weeks ago, and other people in my street may still not know anyone locally who has had it because they don't know that particular person and it hasn't been publicised. I haven't gone round telling them there was a local case, so how would they know? I suggest that you almost certainly have had cases not far from you but you have not been aware of it. Nobody has told you.

[Cowsham]

The covid denial thing is very prevalent around here at the moment and the place is rife with it. Rather disturbing to be honest. Most have never had asthma or breathing difficulty but they're in for a shock if they take it bad. The main difference with this virus is that it can move undetected from cluster to cluster. With previous viruses you know you had it.

[Jdsk]

The interim Imperial REACT data up to 24 November are now available:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/institute-of-global-health-innovation/imperial_react1_r7_interim.pdf
includes:
"The decline in prevalence was especially large in the North where it fell by over 50% in the two regions that had experienced the highest levels in the country during the latter half of round 6 (North West and North East). In contrast, prevalence in London and the Midlands remained almost unchanged. However, the rapid growth of the epidemic seen in London and the South of the country during mid- to late-October [3] was no longer apparent. Our data suggested falls in prevalence across the adult age ranges, including those at older ages who are at the highest risk of severe COVID-19. However, compared with the second half of round 6, prevalence of infection among school aged children (ages 5-12 and 13-17 years) appeared to increase. We note that, in contrast with the first national lockdown in England, schools remained open during this period."

Jonathan

[kwackers]

The covid denial thing is very prevalent around here at the moment and the place is rife with it. Rather disturbing to be honest. Most have never had asthma or breathing difficulty but they're in for a shock if they take it bad. The main difference with this virus is that it can move undetected from cluster to cluster. With previous viruses you know you had it.

Denial is the new state of human existence.

You can pretty much pick any subject and you'll find groups of people with the following views:
I haven't seen it / it doesn't make sense to me therefore it's not real.


Lockdowns and social distancing keep the actual infection rates of covid fairly low which combined with the way it infects 'related groups' means a lot of people still have never seen or known anyone with it so the only information they have is the disinformation put about on social media.
Once they buy into that then they'll swallow anything that supports their view that it's nonsense and disregard anything that says otherwise whilst loudly proclaiming to all and sundry how they believe it to be nonsense and so the feedback continues.

I'm not sure there's a way around such behaviour.
In the past I'd always assumed that once confronted by hard evidence and expert consensus most folk would change their views on things but it turns out that such information merely hardens them.

[horizon]

Lockdowns and social distancing keep the actual infection rates of covid fairly low which combined with the way it infects 'related groups' means a lot of people still have never seen or known anyone with it so the only information they have is the disinformation put about on social media.

Well I get my information from the Guardian and the BBC, unless you are saying that they too are spreading disinformation. You don't need to know someone with covid to know there is a pandemic on.