Boris's Brain is missing

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I had a very telling conversation with a woman from Sierra Leone about UK politics. She said they know they have a corrupt government and system in her country but the UK doesn't see theirs is also corrupt.
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francovendee wrote: 1 Jun 2023, 7:59am I had a very telling conversation with a woman from Sierra Leone about UK politics. She said they know they have a corrupt government and system in her country but the UK doesn't see theirs is also corrupt.
When the pub landlord of the Health Secretary gets a multimillion pound PPE contract, you know we're corrupt.
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roubaixtuesday wrote: 1 Jun 2023, 8:41am
francovendee wrote: 1 Jun 2023, 7:59am I had a very telling conversation with a woman from Sierra Leone about UK politics. She said they know they have a corrupt government and system in her country but the UK doesn't see theirs is also corrupt.
When the pub landlord of the Health Secretary gets a multimillion pound PPE contract, you know we're corrupt.
And the first step is to recognise the problem.

Fortunately international comparisons are now available... and they show the changes as well as the absolute values.

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1600 and not a puff of smoke from the Cabinet Office.

I'd guess that they will make an official statement.

And will the chair of the inquiry play hardball... no statement, no further correspondence, immediate application to the High Court?

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And here's the official statement... application for judicial review.

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Is this the "transparency" and "integrity" Sunak is so keen to press forward?
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Interesting. Push is about to come to shove. Hopefully...
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A few experts (real experts) on C4 News seem to suggest Gov. will lose and that should they win Inquiry Chair may easily step down (if she can't do a proper job it's all as waste of time and will have no public credibility).

I regard the Gov. as being quite stupid on this. I can't see them doing it to protect Johnson but my guess is that there are things from Sunak and other Ministers still in Government that they don't want revealed in future so are establishing the precedent now.

That said, sounds like Johnson didn't give them all his messages anyway, just back to when he last changed phones - which seems to highlight a massive shortcoming in government by WhatsApp - no audit trail, n o records.

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And not related to Covid inquiry
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/information-commissioner-matt-hancock-ministerial-diaries-covid-19-inquiry/ wrote:Government defies watchdog order to hand over Hancock’s Covid diaries
... the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has missed a legal deadline to disclose Matt Hancock’s ministerial diaries to openDemocracy. It could leave the department in contempt of court.
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Health chiefs have spent more than two years fighting our Freedom of Information request for Hancock’s diaries, which could reveal whose advice he sought and who had his ear during the initial stages of the pandemic. The former health secretary published his own edited diaries of the period last year.

Last month the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) ruled that the department had until 29 May to hand them over. That deadline has now passed without the diaries being handed over and a spokesperson confirmed to openDemocracy that the watchdog was “making enquiries with DHSC to ascertain why it has not complied with or appealed the decision notice within the statutory timeframe”.
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Having thoroughly enjoyed Sonia Purnell's biog of piffle Johnson, I have to say this latest move sounds like just the sort of thing he does. By claiming to have made the material available to the Cabinet, he imagines he looks blameless and at the same time passes the buck to others. But I bet my lucky 10p piece on us learning in the fullness of time that his claim wasn't as straightforward as he implied. I read that he's master of saying one thing and meaning another...
https://www.soniapurnell.com/just-boris
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Just now I learn that piffle plans to send the material directly to the inquiry. If he imagines that this will be "doing the right thing", that will be an unprecidented first!
Boris Johnson will provide unredacted WhatsApps to the Covid 19 Inquiry directly, he said in a letter to to the chairwoman on Friday.
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simonineaston wrote: 2 Jun 2023, 10:51am Just now I learn that piffle plans .....
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Get his name right! It's 'de Piffle'.
It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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simonineaston wrote: 2 Jun 2023, 10:51am Just now I learn that piffle plans to send the material directly to the inquiry. If he imagines that this will be "doing the right thing", that will be an unprecidented first!
Boris Johnson will provide unredacted WhatsApps to the Covid 19 Inquiry directly, he said in a letter to to the chairwoman on Friday.
I suspect Sunak is not refusing/Judicial Review because of Johnson's messages but rather that this is the 1st and there will be more requests e.g. for his or his colleagues' messages so he's trying to set the precedent now. If he says yes now he can hardly say no when the inquiry asks for his and ...

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Dishonours list imminent.

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Psamathe wrote: 2 Jun 2023, 12:30pm
simonineaston wrote: 2 Jun 2023, 10:51am Just now I learn that piffle plans to send the material directly to the inquiry. If he imagines that this will be "doing the right thing", that will be an unprecidented first!
Boris Johnson will provide unredacted WhatsApps to the Covid 19 Inquiry directly, he said in a letter to to the chairwoman on Friday.
I suspect Sunak is not refusing/Judicial Review because of Johnson's messages but rather that this is the 1st and there will be more requests e.g. for his or his colleagues' messages so he's trying to set the precedent now. If he says yes now he can hardly say no when the inquiry asks for his and ...
DAG's explainer:
https://davidallengreen.com/2023/06/a-d ... gnificant/

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