Boris's Brain is missing

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al_yrpal wrote: 24 Jun 2022, 2:11pmInteresting the huge Liberal alternative support in the West Country but they were nowhere at all in Wakefield?
We've just seen effective informal tactical voting.

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al_yrpal wrote: 24 Jun 2022, 2:11pm Tories are now doomed. Interesting the huge Liberal alternative support in the West Country but they were nowhere at all in Wakefield? A polarised country seeking a decent effective government. The way forward out of this mess isnt clear at all.

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I was reading (and it makes sense to me) that the bigger worry for the Conservatives is (or should be) the Labour win as it's an indicator that they are losing/have lost the "Red Wall". However I read that in what you classify as an "anti-British" publication ...

I believe the way out of "this mess" depends on the outcome one feels best for the UK. I believe the best way out of "this mess" is for Johnson to remain in post so Conservatives will become a minority party in Westminster after the next General election (maybe not even opposition). From a Conservative perspective the clear way out of "this mess" is for Johnson to go. Conservative MPs seem to lack any ability to see the blindingly obvious.

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Psamathe wrote: 24 Jun 2022, 3:24pm
al_yrpal wrote: 24 Jun 2022, 2:11pm Tories are now doomed. Interesting the huge Liberal alternative support in the West Country but they were nowhere at all in Wakefield? A polarised country seeking a decent effective government. The way forward out of this mess isnt clear at all.

Al
I was reading (and it makes sense to me) that the bigger worry for the Conservatives is (or should be) the Labour win as it's an indicator that they are losing/have lost the "Red Wall". However I read that in what you classify as an "anti-British" publication ...

I believe the way out of "this mess" depends on the outcome one feels best for the UK. I believe the best way out of "this mess" is for Johnson to remain in post so Conservatives will become a minority party in Westminster after the next General election (maybe not even opposition). From a Conservative perspective the clear way out of "this mess" is for Johnson to go. Conservative MPs seem to lack any ability to see the blindingly obvious.

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They have no one but spivs to take the place of Bokum, the kriminal klown. Is there a current member of the cabinet who is anything above incompetent, venal and self-serving? Even their "friends" have to bribe the party with a donation-wodge.

The current Tory party seems still to be infested with neolibs, libertarians, tax-cutters, persecutors of the poor and many of what are now the usual kind of suspects. A significant tranche are proto-fascists. The whole party seems to have become a klub for upper clarss spivs recently graduated from being bog-standard Hooray Henries. Teddy boys of the modern age, smashing up things for "fun" and "to show 'em". (They still love us & them).

What happened to the one-nation Tories of yesteryear? I know they weren't really one-nation but one or two did seem interested in at least trying to be proper politicians. Are they all in a musty old club somewhere off The Strand, muttering about "usurpers" and writing letters to The Times that are never published?

The damage they've done! Still, the Bullingdon Club will be proud as Punch. "That's the way to do it! Wallop, wallop, wallop!!"

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I see Michael Howard is now reported as having said Boris Johnson should go. His timbers must be shivering LOL
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I here that Boris had a minor op on his sinus's recently. Perhaps they were looking for his brain cell. Does he walk like an egyptian.
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I'd be surprised if he lasts the year.
Even more surprised if he leads the Tories into the next election.
I think we can take encouragement from what appears to be the fact that british joe public of whatever political stripe still has certain "old fashioned" standards and that concern over "partygate" has gone on long long after many commentators thought it would be forgotten/folk would move on.
In short despite various bits of bribery (and we can maybe expect more) I think a large proportion of the public see him as a lying toe-rag.
Which of course he is.

edit - he sure is shameless/sticks in there - a pic taken over two years ago after his shameless defence of La Cummimgs not giving a toss about rules for the little people.
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in case anyone doesn't recognise the quote on the placard held by the woman on the right, the woman on the left is reading not Boris's self congratulatory Churchill book but Orwell's 1984.
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Psamathe wrote: 24 Jun 2022, 3:24pm I was reading (and it makes sense to me) that the bigger worry for the Conservatives is (or should be) the Labour win as it's an indicator that they are losing/have lost the "Red Wall".
Actually it's potentially worse for them. As I've noted on here before, the 'red wall' term is often somewhat misunderstood. It was coined by a pollster who'd noted the outlying nature of those constituencies in that at the time (summer 2019) those seats were polling as rather more labour leaning than their underlying demographics would indicate. I.e. in an MRP model as is commonly used now, they were a noticeable cluster of residual errors in the statistical model.

The question here is whether this regain of a 'red wall' seat is just this otherwise unaccountable Northern 'anti Tory' sentiment reasserting itself. Or whether the ge2019 'correction' was permanent. If that's the case it could indicate large numbers of non 'red wall' conservative seats are also at risk.

Hopefully not as i don't think an outright labour majority would be in the long term interests of the country
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Boris Johnson has said a "psychological transformation" in his character is "not going to happen" after by-election defeats led to calls for change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61934851

A tough call for the pundits
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thirdcrank wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 10:16am
Boris Johnson has said a "psychological transformation" in his character is "not going to happen" after by-election defeats led to calls for change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61934851
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And it was less than a few weeks ago he was promising Conservative MPs it would change. Clearly he must have meant everybody else changing not him (more scapegoats losing their job, taking the blame, etc.).

The man is a fool and we deserve better. Even the electorate are showing that with their votes. And Conservative MPs ... talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!

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Psamathe wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 10:28am
thirdcrank wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 10:16am
Boris Johnson has said a "psychological transformation" in his character is "not going to happen" after by-election defeats led to calls for change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61934851
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And it was less than a few weeks ago he was promising Conservative MPs it would change. Clearly he must have meant everybody else changing not him (more scapegoats losing their job, taking the blame, etc.).

The man is a fool and we deserve better. Even the electorate are showing that with their votes. And Conservative MPs ... talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!

Iam
He's no fool - just a dangerous sociopath who's danger has been amplified by giving him the reins of UK political power. Mind, his not-foolishness consists almost entirely of a low cunning rather than the more usual mental abilities. His greatest skill seems to be in knowing how to "keep buggerin'-on" (W. Churchill - perhaps another sociopath at bottom, so to speak).

Alas, it is we the unfortunate residents of Blighty who are being b'd.

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I was shocked to read how Johnson and Carrie seem to regard taxpayer money as their personal slush fund
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/25/boris-johnson-carrie-johnson-150000-treehouse-for-son-at-chequers wrote:Boris Johnson wanted £150,000 treehouse at Chequers, says report
Boris Johnson planned to build a £150,000 treehouse for his son at Chequers but was stopped when police raised security concerns, it has been reported.

The prime minister and his wife, Carrie Johnson, wanted to install the structure during autumn 2020, according to a report in the Times. But they were forced to scrap the plans for the treehouse – which would have been built using expensive bulletproof glass – due to concerns it would be visible from the roadside, it has been claimed.
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Cugel wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 12:36pm
Psamathe wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 10:28am
And it was less than a few weeks ago he was promising Conservative MPs it would change. Clearly he must have meant everybody else changing not him (more scapegoats losing their job, taking the blame, etc.).

The man is a fool and we deserve better. Even the electorate are showing that with their votes. And Conservative MPs ... talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!

Iam
He's no fool - just a dangerous sociopath who's danger has been amplified by giving him the reins of UK political power. Mind, his not-foolishness consists almost entirely of a low cunning rather than the more usual mental abilities. His greatest skill seems to be in knowing how to "keep buggerin'-on" (W. Churchill - perhaps another sociopath at bottom, so to speak).

Alas, it is we the unfortunate residents of Blighty who are being b'd.

Cugel
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We get the b*gg*rers we voted for,it was ever thus!
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reohn2 wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 3:37pm
Cugel wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 12:36pm
Psamathe wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 10:28am
And it was less than a few weeks ago he was promising Conservative MPs it would change. Clearly he must have meant everybody else changing not him (more scapegoats losing their job, taking the blame, etc.).

The man is a fool and we deserve better. Even the electorate are showing that with their votes. And Conservative MPs ... talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!

Iam
He's no fool - just a dangerous sociopath who's danger has been amplified by giving him the reins of UK political power. Mind, his not-foolishness consists almost entirely of a low cunning rather than the more usual mental abilities. His greatest skill seems to be in knowing how to "keep buggerin'-on" (W. Churchill - perhaps another sociopath at bottom, so to speak).

Alas, it is we the unfortunate residents of Blighty who are being b'd.

Cugel
We are because we,or at least enough of us :wink: ,are fools for voting for being b*gg*ered.
We get the b*gg*rers we voted for,it was ever thus!
Alas, there is no longer a British "we", if there ever was. The class system, racialism and racism, misogyny, nationalism and a host of other differentiators apply, We also now have that of "Bokum, his spivs and their business acquaintances versus the rest of the population" to lay over the other fragmentary matrices of our pretend-nation.

Of course, the newspaps do manage to heat up and alloy a mismash of the various tribes into coherent voting blocks, from time to time. But this is nothing to do with a "we" making a rational decision but rather the conjuration of a spell, rendering the victims into cross-scrawling automatons.

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Boris is a prat.
Sack him immediately.

I doubt he will see August as PM, let alone the year.
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Mick F wrote: 25 Jun 2022, 4:22pm Boris is a prat.
Sack him immediately.

I doubt he will see August as PM, let alone the year.
Mm - clearly i'm not the only one betting on a quickish exit mick.
Am surprised no bookies have opened a book on it.
Or maybe they have?
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