Whatever his failings Harold was very good at skewering the Tories.pete75 wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 1:37pmNow imagine if Harold Wilson or Denis Healey was on the opposition benches attacking him along with asides from a peak Dennis Skinner. Politicians ain't what they used to be....Mike Sales wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 1:17pm Listening to WATO.
The greased piglet is wriggling desperately.
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It's the same the whole world over
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
It's the poor what gets the blame
It's the rich what gets the pleasure
Isn't it a blooming shame?
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The current Private Eye has cleared up something for me. When the Met sent out the partygate questionnaires, the media reporting implied that responding was compulsory, which seemed odd to me but I assumed it was a feature of the emergency legislation. Not so. Answering the questions was optional (although any material answers would have to be truthful.)
The potential flaw for Boris Johnson may be that having escaped multiple fixed penalties, he's a lot of aggrieved Downing Street people who answered the questionnaires in detail and copped for it all.
I fancy that Brian Paddick's reported application for judicial review will founder. If it is allowed to go ahead, then the defence must surely be that the inquiries made - with reported sky-high costs - were proportionate. Taking it any further would have involved potentially lengthy interviews under caution with the suspects.
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The potential flaw for Boris Johnson may be that having escaped multiple fixed penalties, he's a lot of aggrieved Downing Street people who answered the questionnaires in detail and copped for it all.
I fancy that Brian Paddick's reported application for judicial review will founder. If it is allowed to go ahead, then the defence must surely be that the inquiries made - with reported sky-high costs - were proportionate. Taking it any further would have involved potentially lengthy interviews under caution with the suspects.
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You don’t have to be of any particular political colour to see that what he presided over was so completely wrong, whether in detail each part of it was illegal or not, that presiding over it was a massive, gigantic, huge, enormous, stupendous etc etc failure of leadership.
Unfit to lead.
A b@@dy disgrace to the country.
Unfit to lead.
A b@@dy disgrace to the country.
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Andrew Marr on LBC explaining why he's never seen a scandle likenthe present Partygate :- https://youtu.be/C7bdgxpprVU
And yet on the BBC national news tonight I see ordinary voters still trying to say this absolute disgrace as nothing to be concerned about !
And yet on the BBC national news tonight I see ordinary voters still trying to say this absolute disgrace as nothing to be concerned about !
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I think a lot of people quickly tire of a political story. This happened with Brexit, when the oven-ready deal appealed to those wanting to "move on." This seems to be happening now with Downing Street shenanigans: people are tired of hearing about it.
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People want the Prime Minister to move on:thirdcrank wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 7:21pm I think a lot of people quickly tire of a political story. This happened with Brexit, when the oven-ready deal appealed to those wanting to "move on." This seems to be happening now with Downing Street shenanigans: people are tired of hearing about it.
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That Johnson et. al broke the law partying is pretty bad. But for me the main issue is that it has demonstrated his lack of integrity, his repeated lying, his poor judgement, etc. and having a PM with so many failings is a serious problem.
Seeing public on TV saying "it was some time ago ..." and "we need to move on ..." is missing the point. PartyGate was a demonstration of Johnson's flaws and they are all still there and "moving on" wont change his failings (might even reenforce them as he realises he can get away with anything).
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Seeing public on TV saying "it was some time ago ..." and "we need to move on ..." is missing the point. PartyGate was a demonstration of Johnson's flaws and they are all still there and "moving on" wont change his failings (might even reenforce them as he realises he can get away with anything).
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There are various points which may be missed.
IMO, the big one here is that the only real power to check Boris Johnson is in the hands of his parliamentary party. For the moment, they see him as their best bet.
IMO, the big one here is that the only real power to check Boris Johnson is in the hands of his parliamentary party. For the moment, they see him as their best bet.
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I agree, a big failing in our system. I'm no great fan of the French system but ditch the Royal Family and go for a separately elected President with an active role (i.e. not "ceremonial").thirdcrank wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 7:40pm There are various points which may be missed.
IMO, the big one here is that the only real power to check Boris Johnson is in the hands of his parliamentary party. For the moment, they see him as their best bet.
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Was Emmanuel Macron a better role model than our head of state? If we were to replace our Monarch with an elected president, then I presume President Boris Johnson would be in that role.
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He would have been elected by the electorate and not by a few MPs/Conservative Party members. And next Presidential Election those who are staunch Conservatives will not feel so pressured to vote Conservative or get a Labour Gov. i.e. they could vote Johnson out and still vote for a Conservative Parliament.thirdcrank wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 7:53pm Was Emmanuel Macron a better role model than our head of state? If we were to replace our Monarch with an elected president, then I presume President Boris Johnson would be in that role.
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+1Psamathe wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 7:35pm That Johnson et. al broke the law partying is pretty bad. But for me the main issue is that it has demonstrated his lack of integrity, his repeated lying, his poor judgement, etc. and having a PM with so many failings is a serious problem.
Seeing public on TV saying "it was some time ago ..." and "we need to move on ..." is missing the point. PartyGate was a demonstration of Johnson's flaws and they are all still there and "moving on" wont change his failings (might even reenforce them as he realises he can get away with anything).
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Which is even worse as they are only interested in remaining in power and not what's best for the country,a sad reflection of UK politics.thirdcrank wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 7:40pm There are various points which may be missed.
IMO, the big one here is that the only real power to check Boris Johnson is in the hands of his parliamentary party. For the moment, they see him as their best bet.
Honour and truth have been ditched in favour of what's best for their party.
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Chris Bryant on partygate,Johnson and the treatment of No10 staff:- https://youtu.be/dJb0ZEZTbz4
52seconds of truth to power,
52seconds of truth to power,
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Unfortunately in the short term it's not the 'people' who can get rid of the PM. It will need a defeat at a GE to do this. If there is an electionJdsk wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 7:27pmPeople want the Prime Minister to move on:thirdcrank wrote: ↑25 May 2022, 7:21pm I think a lot of people quickly tire of a political story. This happened with Brexit, when the oven-ready deal appealed to those wanting to "move on." This seems to be happening now with Downing Street shenanigans: people are tired of hearing about it.
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now or in two years time then only a crushing defeat for the Tories will remove him.
He's Teflon coated and and all the muck slides off and is quickly forgotten by the public.
The Tory 'machine' is very effective. The Gray report was yesterday's news and today measures to ease pressure on household budgets will make it fade away. Johnson must now have his fingers crossed that Starmer doesn't get fined and resign.