Boris's Brain is missing

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If theres a vote it will be interesting to see how many still support Boris. Some seem to think his unique style is still a vote winner. I have always thought he has been trying to operate way beyond his capabilities. Who can replace him and restore confidence in the Torys? The replacement has to be somewhat likeable and I cant think of any prominent Tory that is? Starmer certainly isnt, known around here as 'the dud'.

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al_yrpal wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 12:27pm If theres a vote it will be interesting to see how many still support Boris. Some seem to think his unique style is still a vote winner. I have always thought he has been trying to operate way beyond his capabilities. Who can replace him and restore confidence in the Torys? The replacement has to be somewhat likeable and I cant think of any prominent Tory that is? Starmer certainly isnt, known around here as 'the dud'.

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I wonder if electorate disatisfaction with Johnson might drive people to seek somebody more "stable", "competent", "serious" after the disaster of somebody they saw as "a bit of a likeable rogue". And that could help Starmer. My Mum who has voted Conservative all her life has now decided she could vote for Starmer - just one vote but people now have experience of jokey, mischievous smirk, etc. and they've seen the result of it.

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He's getting mauled in prime ministers question time on BBC2 right now -- David Davis has just told him " You've sat there too long for all the good you've done - in the name of God GO!"
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Cowsham wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 12:41pm He's getting mauled in prime ministers question time on BBC2 right now -- David Davis has just told him " You've sat there too long for all the good you've done - in the name of God GO!"
A Russian doll of layered ironies in the situation we're in now.

Johnson's character is, and always has been well known. A self- entitled narcissist entirely alien to the concept of truth. A man who according to a school report ..."sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility... ...I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else", was twice sacked for dishonesty, has a personal life littered with betrayal and scattered with abandoned children, and ran a campaign for Brexit with an open and blatant lie as its strapline on a bus.

So it's hardly a surprise that, toddler-like, he blames everyone else for being caught breaking the rules. But why is he there in the first place? Well, it's because the likes of Davis put him there. They never believed him, they never trusted him, they never thought he'd change, they simply saw him as a vehicle for their own personal power and extreme ideology. And they were more than happy for him to keep on lying and cheating - the corruption, the bodies piling up - as long as they kept their power, influence, and, increasingly, corrupt monies. They cared not one jot for the degradation of public life, the collapse in respect for our country abroad that came with it.

But now the public turn against him and he's no longer any use. Suddenly, miraculously, the scales fall from Davis's eyes. And, most deliciously of all, the man who whipped up fear of foreigners and outsiders as a means to gain power, is condemned by one who held on to his shirt tails for his own ends. Naturally, The War must be invoked at this point, for the UK is forever condemned to look backwards to this most glorious chapter. And he quote used? Chamberlain condemned for his insufficient rigour in standing up to another politician who used loathing of outsiders to gain power.

You couldn't make it up.

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Conservative MP joins Labour and praises Starmer. All one needs to figure out that Labour under Starmer just a slightly different version of the Tories.
Oh for proper socialist party that LEADS the majority of the population who are disadvantaged and trashed by the upper classes rather than just accepts their prejudices and ignorance as a given.
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It seems to me that at present, Boris Johnson holds the trump card (not the Trump card) in his parliamentary party in that the nuclear option would be to wangle a general election which would mean a lot of them would lose their seats, especially the 2019 intake who got in through the Boris factor. I'm not predicting it will happen, and the niceties might mean the queen would "send for" a modern equivalent of Alec Douglas Home, but the threat might be enough to restore party discipline. Or United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres might be persuaded to offer him the honorary title of World King for Life in return for going away.
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al_yrpal wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 12:27pm If theres a vote it will be interesting to see how many still support Boris. Some seem to think his unique style is still a vote winner. I have always thought he has been trying to operate way beyond his capabilities. Who can replace him and restore confidence in the Torys? The replacement has to be somewhat likeable and I cant think of any prominent Tory that is? Starmer certainly isnt, known around here as 'the dud'.

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thirdcrank wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 2:33pm It seems to me that at present, Boris Johnson holds the trump card (not the Trump card) in his parliamentary party in that the nuclear option would be to wangle a general election which would mean a lot of them would lose their seats, especially the 2019 intake who got in through the Boris factor. I'm not predicting it will happen, and the niceties might mean the queen would "send for" a modern equivalent of Alec Douglas Home, but the threat might be enough to restore party discipline. Or United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres might be persuaded to offer him the honorary title of World King for Life in return for going away.
Don't they still have the Fixed Term Parliament Act? (or did I miss it being repealed - they were talking about getting rid of it). That said, if a motion was brought it would have the support of the oppositionparties as I'm sure they'd rather fight an election against Johnson than somebody without such a dire reputation.

Polling a few weeks/months back suggested Johnson would lose his own seat (from memory) and even if I'm mis-remembering that, now I suspect his re-election even as an MP would be open to question. so if he did call an election he'd likely lose being PM, lose being Conservative leader and lose his seat and his legacy would be one of dire failure (which it is anyway, just he seems blinkered to that). And losing everyting like that would have him labelled as a failure and would probably impact his earnings potential as a columnist.

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roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 1:08pm
Cowsham wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 12:41pm He's getting mauled in prime ministers question time on BBC2 right now -- David Davis has just told him " You've sat there too long for all the good you've done - in the name of God GO!"
But now the public turn against him and he's no longer any use. Suddenly, miraculously, the scales fall from Davis's eyes. And, most deliciously of all, the man who whipped up fear of foreigners and outsiders as a means to gain power, is condemned by one who held on to his shirt tails for his own ends. Naturally, The War must be invoked at this point, for the UK is forever condemned to look backwards to this most glorious chapter. And he quote used? Chamberlain condemned for his insufficient rigour in standing up to another politician who used loathing of outsiders to gain power.
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djnotts wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 1:41pm Conservative MP joins Labour and praises Starmer. All one needs to figure out that Labour under Starmer just a slightly different version of the Tories.
Or that the Conservatives won the red wall seats by having Brexit social democrats as their candidates and emphasising the Brexit and democrats? I guess we may find out if more cross the floor.
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roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 1:08pm
Cowsham wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 12:41pm He's getting mauled in prime ministers question time on BBC2 right now -- David Davis has just told him " You've sat there too long for all the good you've done - in the name of God GO!"And he quote used? Chamberlain condemned for his insufficient rigour in standing up to another politician who used loathing of outsiders to gain power.
Davis was quoting Amery. Amery was quoting Cromwell.

I was watching this live and the quote didn't seem to catch the House this time.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/metropolitan-police-downing-street-prime-minister-met-westminster-b1996354.html wrote:The Metropolitan Police is facing legal action if it fails to investigate reports of the Downing Street Christmas party in 2020, according to campaigners.

The Good Law Project last week said it had put the force on notice that it would take legal action if it did not investigate the gathering.

On Wednesday a spokeswoman for the campaign organisation, which uses the law to “protect the interests of the public”, said it had filed its claim in court.

In a statement on its website, the project said: “When we received the Met’s formal pre-action response to our judicial review claim, over its failure to apply the same criminal law to the Prime Minister as it applies to others, they told us not to publish it.
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Why would the Met Police be telling (not asking) that their response as to the case against them not be published? Sounds to me like something very strange going on.

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roubaixtuesday wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 1:08pm
Cowsham wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 12:41pm He's getting mauled in prime ministers question time on BBC2 right now -- David Davis has just told him " You've sat there too long for all the good you've done - in the name of God GO!"
A Russian doll of layered ironies in the situation we're in now.

Johnson's character is, and always has been well known. A self- entitled narcissist entirely alien to the concept of truth. A man who according to a school report ..."sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility... ...I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation which binds everyone else", was twice sacked for dishonesty, has a personal life littered with betrayal and scattered with abandoned children, and ran a campaign for Brexit with an open and blatant lie as its strapline on a bus.

So it's hardly a surprise that, toddler-like, he blames everyone else for being caught breaking the rules. But why is he there in the first place? Well, it's because the likes of Davis put him there. They never believed him, they never trusted him, they never thought he'd change, they simply saw him as a vehicle for their own personal power and extreme ideology. And they were more than happy for him to keep on lying and cheating - the corruption, the bodies piling up - as long as they kept their power, influence, and, increasingly, corrupt monies. They cared not one jot for the degradation of public life, the collapse in respect for our country abroad that came with it.

But now the public turn against him and he's no longer any use. Suddenly, miraculously, the scales fall from Davis's eyes. And, most deliciously of all, the man who whipped up fear of foreigners and outsiders as a means to gain power, is condemned by one who held on to his shirt tails for his own ends. Naturally, The War must be invoked at this point, for the UK is forever condemned to look backwards to this most glorious chapter. And he quote used? Chamberlain condemned for his insufficient rigour in standing up to another politician who used loathing of outsiders to gain power.

You couldn't make it up.

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Psamathe wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 3:51pmWhy would the Met Police be telling (not asking) that their response as to the case against them not be published? Sounds to me like something very strange going on.
I'd guess that this particular action is only an exaggerated version of the usual lack of transparency. Not a smoking gun.

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