Boris's Brain is missing

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Yes.

And apart from the personality issues working in local government is one of the best ways to prepare for being a Minister.

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He's made a right mess of the clean air zone stuff though. Very poor performance generally on that.
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I get the impression that directly-elected mayors can be a way of thwarting traditional local government. The chap alleged to have his brain missing is the epitome of that.
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thirdcrank wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 11:11am Do people think Andy Burnham has any realistic prospects at the national level? I just see him as a lingering hangover from New Labour.
A hang over from new Labour maybe, but he could run rings around Johnson and offer something other than more of the same..
Even New Labour would be far preferable to 4 more years of hard right Tory government at the next GE.
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Piffle Johnson's cousin lives in New York. She's written a thoughtful piece for the Byline Times, on the subject of the pm's and the UK's attitude to immigration - see here in which she points out that one of Piffle's grandparents was a "a distinguished human rights barrister who worked to advance international human rights..." Ooops - just as well he's gone to a better place, rather than see what his grandson has amounted to.
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Well the current home secretary is daughter of Ugandan-Indian migrants who'd never succeed in entering under her current policies. :?
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Stevek76 wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 10:27am That said i view PR as far more important and i suspect a number of EU members may be wary of any substantially closer relationship whilst we still operate under the instability of fptp.
I've said it endlessly on here, and endlessly much of my adult life, that FPTP is a silly and stupid and daft system.
Yes, it's simple, but it never ever gives a good result unless it's a walkover.

Just say there are two candidates.
One gets 50.5 percent of the vote.
The other gets 49.5 percent of the vote.

50.5 candidate gets elected when half of the voters are utterly against it.
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I think politicians and their advisors understand the system well and a lot of what we are discussing implies a wish for change among the electorate.

The bonus question is how change will be achieved without a revolution, losing a war (civil or otherwise) or ... er ... that's it.
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I was elected president of the CPO's mess in HMS Sirius back in early 1988. I was Pres of the Mess until I left the ship over a year later.

FPTP was a simple majority for me, but I was the only candidate and managed a 100% vote.
I'd been in HMS Sirius for three years by then, having been Mess Treasurer before that. My election was from the mess members numbering 20odd and they wanted me as Pres.
Had there been two candidates, and we'd have been level pegging we would have shared the office. One Vice, the other Pres and swapped over every few months.

HMS Ambuscade, and that very situation occurred. Bob S for a while, and then Vic B.
I remember it well, and personally preferred Bob. :D
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Mick F wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 4:19pm
Stevek76 wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 10:27am That said i view PR as far more important and i suspect a number of EU members may be wary of any substantially closer relationship whilst we still operate under the instability of fptp.
I've said it endlessly on here, and endlessly much of my adult life, that FPTP is a silly and stupid and daft system.
Yes, it's simple, but it never ever gives a good result unless it's a walkover.

Just say there are two candidates.
One gets 50.5 percent of the vote.
The other gets 49.5 percent of the vote.

50.5 candidate gets elected when half of the voters are utterly against it.
A bit like Brexit then :roll: just saying.......
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thirdcrank wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 4:24pm I think politicians and their advisors understand the system well and a lot of what we are discussing implies a wish for change among the electorate.

The bonus question is how change will be achieved without a revolution, losing a war (civil or otherwise) or ... er ... that's it.
In other words the Turkeys etc... ....which in turn leaves the population at their mercy and up a smelly creek sans paddle!
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reohn2 wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 7:49pm
Mick F wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 4:19pm
Stevek76 wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 10:27am That said i view PR as far more important and i suspect a number of EU members may be wary of any substantially closer relationship whilst we still operate under the instability of fptp.
I've said it endlessly on here, and endlessly much of my adult life, that FPTP is a silly and stupid and daft system.
Yes, it's simple, but it never ever gives a good result unless it's a walkover.

Just say there are two candidates.
One gets 50.5 percent of the vote.
The other gets 49.5 percent of the vote.

50.5 candidate gets elected when half of the voters are utterly against it.
A bit like Brexit then :roll: just saying.......
Are you a mind reader? I had the very same thought. It was the will of (some) of the people after all so I must stop re-moaning. :lol:
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francovendee wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 7:56pm
reohn2 wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 7:49pm
A bit like Brexit then :roll: just saying.......
Are you a mind reader? I had the very same thought. It was the will of (some) of the people after all so I must stop re-moaning. :lol:
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R2, absolutely correct.

I never wanted to be in the EU in the first place, and I voted to leave given that chance. I was never asked if we should have even joined!
Trouble is, the leave/remain vote was too close for comfort.

It should have been annulled perhaps, and another vote taken later after we had all inwardly digested the result.
Maybe General Elections when they are split closely, should be re-voted upon later.
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Mick F wrote: 26 Jun 2022, 9:34pm R2, absolutely correct.

I never wanted to be in the EU in the first place, and I voted to leave given that chance. I was never asked if we should have even joined!
Trouble is, the leave/remain vote was too close for comfort.

It should have been annulled perhaps, and another vote taken later after we had all inwardly digested the result.
Maybe General Elections when they are split closely, should be re-voted upon later.
It would seem reasonable that a good margin be required for a referendums of major significance e.g. 60% to 40%. Maybe the laws for such referendums should state that if such a margin is not achieved one way or the other and maybe with a minimum turnout %age of those eligible a repeats referendum will be held e.g. 4 years later. Would apply to things like EU membership, Scottish Independence. As you say, just crawling over the line is not enough when the outcome has such major impacts on everybody.

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